[1st-mile-nm] Verizon & Comcast/Xfinity

Sat Mar 16 10:21:37 PDT 2013

Gillian, 

If you go back a ways in the archives of the list you will see my summary of our adventures trying to help the city with broadband. Johm, I and many others were unsuccessful in getting the City to not pass its telecom ordinance. One of the points that we made at the council meeting almost three years ago was that if they passed the ordinance they would immediately be sued. They were and apparently it still hasn't been settled. The ordinance called for a committee that I headed to review the ordinance which we did. The city attorney and city manager refused to give our report to the council and disbanded the committee and formed another one more to their liking. Hard to see a path to better and affordable broadband in the city. 

Ed
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Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

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Santa Fe, NM 87501
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On Mar 16, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

> Hmm unfortantly not much to do instantly about greed I don't expect everyone to subscribe to jedi notions of living modestly and comfortably-
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> However a clueless and or city atourny can be remedied somewhat with a bit of financial counter pressure as well offering incentives to hire experts in areas. It might be healthy for santa fes market for citylink to see some sucess.
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> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM, John Brown <john at citylinkfiber.com> wrote:
> Greed and a complete lack of clue on the part of the City Attorney.
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> Here is a recent speed test from an APARTMENT connected to our fiber
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> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2472277506.png
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> From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 10:44:03 -0600
> To: John Brown <john at citylinkfiber.com>
> Cc: Gary Gomes <ggomes at soundviewnet.com>, "1st-mile-nm at mailman.dcn.org" <1st-mile-nm at mailman.dcn.org>
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> Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] Verizon & Comcast/Xfinity
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> Ooooh santa fe how you make very little sense sometimes-
> Hmm ok- any insite to what prompted the city to make those rules?
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> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:13 AM, John Brown <john at citylinkfiber.com> wrote:
> Here in Albuquerque a "Smart Company" is already deploying 100Mb/s symmetrical and 1000Mb/s symmetrical connections to homes and businesses
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> Even doing 20Mb/s connections via wireless
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> That smart company tried to do it in Santa Fe, but the City Government created new rules that financially make it near impossible to provide those symmetrical services.  Its now costing that City tens of thousands of dollars in tax payer money to fight a federal lawsuit brought on by Qwest.
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> Regards,
> 
> John Brown,
> Head Geek at the "Smart Company "
> CityLink Fiber Holdings, Inc.
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> From: Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:28:59 -0600
> To: Gary Gomes <ggomes at soundviewnet.com>
> Cc: "1st-mile-nm at mailman.dcn.org" <1st-mile-nm at mailman.dcn.org>
> Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] Verizon & Comcast/Xfinity
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> Hmm com-cast/cox is already in the wired phone business- It seems like it has a monoply in many markets at cable speeds.
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> What I don't get is why some smart company hasn't come along to provide at least 20mbs each way.
> When you look at the com-cast speeds they put heavy emphasis on download speeds of 20mbs down (give or take) but a snails pace up. Do people not want to have good upload speeds as well? Some of us want to have the option to have at least  that 20mbs each direction.
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> What i'm also unclear on is this: it'd seem  easier to get people good internet acess if the darn copper wasn't a factor some sort of wireless stunt that'd get at least cable speeds in large areas without having to put down miles and miles of copper.
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> Cell towers maybe?
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> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Gary Gomes <ggomes at soundviewnet.com> wrote:
> Owen,
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> Unfortunately it is true.  In one of the most egregious regulatory sell-outs of the Obama administration, in August of last year the Justice Department and the FCC approved a $3.6 Billion deal between Verizon and Comcast, Time Warner and Bright house cable companies that you and I will be paying for a very long time.
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> The headline “deal” was for the three cable companies to sell their cellular radio frequencies (they had planned to enter the cellular business as competitors of Verizon, AT&T , etc.  So for $3.6 Million , Verizon got access to additional 700 MHz frequencies that they may or may not  need but more importantly,  got rid of three potential competitors.  That wasn’t enough for the Cable companies though (if Verizon was to get rid of potential major competitors, so should they(m so they included an  agreement for the companies to “cross-sell” each other’s service.
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> To no one’s surprise (except for the FCC and the DOJ, perhaps), as soon as the deal was approved, AT&T announced that they were not going to extend FiOS beyond current markets. 
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> So now Comcast is offering its customers Verizon wireless service at a “savings” of $5.00 per month off Verizon’s published rates for 24 months if bundled with Comcast cable service.  Comcast has not announced when they are raising the Cable and/or Internet rates to make up for this $5.00 “discount”.
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> Welcome to America
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> Gary
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> From: 1st-mile-nm-bounces+ggomes=soundviewnet.com at mailman.dcn.org [mailto:1st-mile-nm-bounces+ggomes=soundviewnet.com at mailman.dcn.org] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 9:01 PM
> To: 1st-Mile-NM
> Subject: [1st-mile-nm] Verizon & Comcast/Xfinity
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> I recently called comcast/xfinity (what's the diff?) to try their broadband.
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> I got an unusually tech-sophisticated customer support person.  After working out the installation details, I mentioned interest in Verizon FiOS.  He said there was no FiOS in NM but Vzn and Comcast have a bundling agreement so that if you have both comcast and vzn services, you can get discounts.
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> Is this true?  I haven't seen much mention of this other than vague marketing announcements over the past year.
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> Details?  Thanks,
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>    -- Owen
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