[1st-mile-nm] Service in SE corner of Bernalillo County

[Cummins, Kevin (Tom Udall)]

John, first milers,

There is supposed to be more movement soon on the federal lands permitting/deployment front.  Stay tuned.

Do folks from this group have recommendations for how to improve the broadband map accuracy?  If so, has that been shared with NM DoIT?

I am aware that coverage seems to be overstated in some rural areas, particularly for wireless coverage.

My understanding is that the problem stems from the accuracy of data submitted to NM DoIT.  

Has anyone tried to correct the data or flag areas where map seems to be innacurate?

Data from the NM broadband map can have an impact on which unserved/underserved areas qualify for certain types of universal service support. 

Thanks for any helpful suggestions you may have.  

Kevin

Kevin Cummins
Office of Sen. Tom Udall

-----Original Message-----
From: John Brown [mailto:john at citylinkfiber.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:50 PM
To: John Badal
Cc: Cummins, Kevin (Tom Udall); 1st-Mile-NM
Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] Service in SE corner of Bernalillo County

John is correct here.  One of the main challenges for fixed base microwave providers is mother earth.

At the end of the day, decent wireless providers should do a specific path review based on the customers site, elevation AGL, frequency, distance to nearest aggregation site, trees, buildings, etc.
Then compare the estimated path loss and does that match the bandwidth requirements of the customer.  Just because I can get a sniff / wiff of a signal, doesn't mean it will be good.
You have to look what modulation is needed for the bandwidth requested, the channel width, noise floor, and see if there is enough delta to support the needed modulation rate.

Lower channel width means more spectral energy, but reduces the amount of usable bandwidth because the modulation rates go down.
Wider channel width gets more bandwidth to the user, but at the cost of spectral energy delivered and increases the likelihood of interference.

At the end of the day, if you dont have clear LOS on the path it won't work well.  Physics is NOT your friend.

As a tower owner on the Crest, we see lots of places we CAN get to, and lots of places we CAN NOT get to.  There is no silver bullet.

The Federal costs to be on the crest or other Federal lands is extremely high and despite the Presidential EO to reduce such costs to further broadband deployment, that really hasn't happened.

Kevin, it would be great if those costs could get reduced / removed. :)


On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:37 AM, John Badal <JBadal at sacred-wind.com> wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> If you delete on the map all the types of broadband providers serving  the East Mountains (along old State Rte 14), then click on Wireless, then Fixed Wireless, you'll see something interesting that occurs everywhere depicted on the state BBd map:  the map shows universal coverage of broadband by wireless as if topography has no play at all in the service.  A propagation map depicting merely the radius of a wireless signal , without consideration  of the terrain, will not provide accurate information about the reach of the signal or the strength of the signal.  I discount the assertions by wireless companies that they can provide XX amount of bandwidth unless true wave propagation is shown.  For example, the one good fixed wireless company that I'm familiar with in the east mountains, shooting from Sandia Peak, is NMSurf.  But even they cannot provide service through the trees that surround homes in San Pedro Creek and portions of Paa-ko, or violate the physics of a Frenzel Zone,  unless far taller subscriber masts are used, which the company doesn't normally provide. The bbnd map, too, shows DSL available -- that's fine but customers out there are well aware that 1.5Mbps is their limit.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 1st-mile-nm [mailto:1st-mile-nm-bounces at mailman.dcn.org] On 
> Behalf Of Cummins, Kevin (Tom Udall)
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:09 AM
> To: John Brown
> Cc: 1st-Mile-NM
> Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] Service in SE corner of Bernalillo County
>
> Drew, John,
>
> The NM Broadband Map seems to confirm what John notes in his reply about DSL and fixed wireless providers in that area.
>
> See attached screenshot photo from https://nmbbmapping.org/mapping/.
>
> But I am not sure who those folks are.  Perhaps someone here can 
> confirm.  If not, let me know and I will try to find out.  (And if 
> coverage not actually available where map says it is, that should be 
> flagged for NM DoIT, which maintains the NM Broadband map.)
>
> Best,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Cummins
> Office of Sen. Tom Udall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 1st-mile-nm 
> [mailto:1st-mile-nm-bounces+kevin_cummins=tomudall.senate.gov at mailman.
> dcn.org] On Behalf Of John Brown
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:27 AM
> Cc: 1st-Mile-NM
> Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] Service in SE corner of Bernalillo County
>
> I believe there are several wireless providers that have coverage in that area.
>
> I know HigherSpeed Internet has been recently making significant investment into better backbone.
> They have invested tens of thousands in new FCC licensed microwave capacity and are pushing more than 100Mb/s worth of traffic.
> That is up 100% from a little more than a year ago.  They are also working on augmenting their distribution side as well.
>
> Lobo may also cover that area, not sure.
>
> Cibola Wireless may also cover
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:20 AM, drew einhorn <drew.einhorn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I ask these questions every few months in a bunch of places.
>>
>> Does anybody know of anyone (besides CenturyLink) providing service 
>> on NM
>> 337 (old S14) south of NM 217?
>>
>> So far the only answer I've gotten is: "Sorry, no service for you!"
>>
>> I'm so tired of 1.5 mbit dsl.
>>
>> Does anyone have anything good to say about any of the satellite providers?
>>
>> I had satellite service a long time ago and it didn't really work.
>> I'm sure it's gotten better.  But a new neighbor moved in next door, 
>> ordered sat tv and internet.  The installer said their internet 
>> really didn't work.  So I'm not hopeful.
>>
>> I really hope the FCC does turn back the clock a bit, and impose 
>> service standards.  And reinstates fees to fund rural infrastructure.
>> CenturyLink has demonstrated that they will not invest in rural 
>> infrastructure, unless they get someone else to pay for it.
>>
>> --
>> Drew Einhorn
>>
>> "You can see a lot by just looking."
>>   --  Yogi Berra
>>
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