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<small><font face="Verdana">I totally agree thats its way dangerous for
the incumbent monopolists of telco and cable being the primary owners
of the high speed last part of the connection as they will surely hold
the traffic to ransom.<br>
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It not a question of if but when<br>
<br>
Part of the service that they will be offering to us in Florida is to
eventually disconnect all the coper ( yes you are correct a lock in
move and many of the new development we saw in Florida are being built
sans copper as a digital home ) ) but that still leaves the cable
pipe. One thing we did notice is that all the fiber runs are buried as
opposed to the coper connects that are on poles. A great deal of this
is being driven by retiree communities and there management who
consider the above ground mess unsightly and pointed at the underground
cable as a better way that forced the telcos hand with the cable
company driving to compete with there business<br>
<br>
My only reason for posting is to show that at last a very large telco
company is admitting by doing that the end game is and will be FIBER
period and DSL or anything over coper is history. they are also
admitting that upstream is also as important as downstream and thats a
first. Now if they will only admit the mgb compared to MGB then we will
be further along<br>
<br>
In the power industry its been admitted even in washington that power
companies cannot own the transmission ( to prevent monopolistic poor
service) lines but that level of thinking has not gotten into our
connectivity</font></small> arena.<br>
<small><font face="Verdana"><br>
Even in the open access world lets admit it our business model of good
independent ISPs are totally out gunned in DC where the rules are being
made and i hope Google will come to the rescue on this but I will not
hold my breath<br>
<br>
No comments on what the Qwest bandits are doing with this state its
beyond robbery ( Qwests open access is only open depending on what you
pay them and if they like you, independent ISPs are totally locked out
) but they also have to be looking at what happens when the cable
companies move to the next speed level and that to will be fiber. That
is also why Comcast is desperately trying to sell their entire
infrastructure in NM. the big problem with Qwest is the huge power they
wield in Santa Fe at the legislature ( Look what happened to Ed Lopez
the GSA cabinet secretary ( a real great guy ) when he went against
Qwest just trying to get a better service level, one game of golf with
Bills top people and he was history<br>
<br>
Now if only Deutsch Tel would buy the Comcast piece ( just like they
went after US west ) we would see a real game in town<br>
<br>
This type of fiber to everything will herald in the whole new gambit of
power over Ethernet and multiple options for SCADA but that is a whole
nother story<br>
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( : ( : pete<br>
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Gary Gomes wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I certainly understand Verizon's intent, but there are a few problems with
the Qwest "open access" model:
1) The price for the layer 2 Qwest DSL connection (i.e. without ISP) is
virtually identical to their bundled (DSL+ISP)price - meaning one can only
select an alternate ISP by paying a significant premium.
2) The price for the layer 2 DSL connectivity and the capacity of that
service is set by the monopolist - "trust me, you'll love it".
3) The 896 K limit on the uplink precludes many of the services that "beg"
for competitive service provision.
There are really only two choices, accept the high prices and service
limitations of he duopoly providers (ILEC and Cable) or implement a truly
open access FTTH network.
Gary
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<pre wrap="">Just got this nice little offer for fiber to the home in the mail for
our place in Sarasota
I talked to the techs in Florida and they say that 100mgps is coming
real soon
Yup we can but dream in Nuevo Mexico
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Be careful what you ask for -- you may get it.
This isn't about "serving the consumer," as much as it's about lock-in.
Let's look at Qwest DSL model -- the fairest I've seen among the RBOCs.
The DSL customer can buy a DSL (layer 2 connection) from Qwest, and be
connected to one of several different (layer 3) ISPs. When a single
layer 2 connection can be used to get to several layer 3 ISPs, there is
little need legislated network neutrality. As long as the wire is
neutral, I can find an ISP that will treat my packets the way I want...
However, Qwest's FTTN (fiber to the node) inititive is starting up. Qwest
is extending their metro-ethernet to a number of remote terminals (RTs).
They can put DLAMs in the RTs, and push up to 20M/896k to neghborhoods!
They'll also be able to do 40M/40M with SHDSL equipment, and any number
of new things as new equipment becomes available. Cool stuf.
But they're using this upgrade to lock out the ISPs. If you want the
faster service, you *must* use Qwest as the ISP. That sound you
just heard was the death knell of an important product in the
independent ISP's product line.
The word on the street about Verizon's FIOS indicates that when the
fiber is brought to your house, they disable the copper plant. Since
they don't have to share the fiber, they've just locked your house into
Verizon service.
These upgrades, are a thinly veiled attempt to lock consumers into the
ILECs service -- but disguised as an "upgrade." Personaly, I'm not
really willing to give up diversity of ISPs for a few extra Mbps...
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