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<font face="Verdana"><small>Agree John, I have a relative who works at
L3 ( who laid it all ) in Denver and I watched that sad sale event with
the lack of available break offs in NM with horror<br>
<br>
One of the issues we keep running into is deliberate smoke and mirrors
of the logic behind all this<br>
<br>
What first caught my eye at the INQ site about the open access
announcement is the statement that " Its going to cost a lot of money
at T3 ", thats the first time I have ever hear that comment and its
absolutely spot on<br>
<br>
In my business world two sets of rules operate, business and technical,
and in most cases the B rule is paramount no mater how much
gobbledygook technobabble is being thrown around<br>
<br>
Simply, you cannot buy or operate a service for $4 and sell it for $1
unless you really are fond of two numbers 7 and 11<br>
<br>
Now lets look at the Tier description ( I will not go deep with
traffic and routing and services or packet layers just the overall
pattern and generic overview ) </small></font><br>
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<ul>
<li><small><font face="Verdana">Tier 1 - A network that can reach
every other network on the Internet without purchasing IP transit.</font></small></li>
<li><small><font face="Verdana"><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_2_network"
title="Tier 2 network">Tier 2</a> - A network that peers with some
networks, but still purchases IP transit to reach at least some portion
of the Internet.</font></small></li>
<li><small><font face="Verdana"><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_3_ISP" class="mw-redirect"
title="Tier 3 ISP">Tier 3</a> - A network that solely purchases
transit from other networks to reach the Internet.</font></small></li>
</ul>
<font face="Verdana"><small>Normally this B rule applies and yes I know
there are exceptions<br>
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Tier 1 suppliers service cost $X and so they sell it to Tier 2 at $X+<br>
</small></font><font face="Verdana"><small>Tier 2 suppliers service
cost $X+ and so they sell it to Tier 2 at $X++<br>
<br>
Thats why when I hear the rhetoric from a pure Tier 3 supplier (
Azulstar - Sandoval County Broadband and others ) that they can supply
FULL service service at 1/10 of $X I just roll over and laugh keeping
both hands in my pocket.<br>
<br>
Frequently in our business we look at different industries and apply
patterns for comparison and when i ran the 1/10 cost Tier 3 past a
banking friend of mine he identified and laughed out loud and
immediately he called it a Ponzi scheme and would advise the
perpetrators to look forward to a nice comfortable federal penitentiary
holiday. He did however compliment the inventors on a new variation
until I pointed out banks were financing this and then the Eureka
moment turned into an Oh Shit session.<br>
<br>
Similarly part of our companies business is in the power industry and
they have a similar tier structure albeit with a different name that
looks like this<br>
</small></font>
<ul>
<li><small><font face="Verdana">Tier 1 - Power production at the
power plant source at Ultra HIGH Voltage ( normally in a remote are
close to a fuel source ) <br>
</font></small></li>
<li><small><font face="Verdana"><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_2_network"
title="Tier 2 network">Tier 2</a> - Transmission lines that carry the
power to local area need sources stepped down to High Voltage<br>
</font></small></li>
<li><small><font face="Verdana"><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_3_ISP" class="mw-redirect"
title="Tier 3 ISP">Tier 3</a> - Local delivery transmission and
customer service supply stepped down from High to medium and usable
voltage</font></small></li>
</ul>
<small><font face="Verdana"><br>
One of the great debates that occurred at the breakup of the power
industry ( still going on today ) to make efficient cost effective
service was first the ownership split of Tier 2 from the incumbent
owners of Tier 1 and 3 to prevent monopolization practices that we find
common in the communications industry , this natural progression will
mean eventually Tier 1 - 2- 3 users must be independent and separate
companies. A model we could well follow in our industry. Ironically
this is how companies like L3 started<br>
<br>
The BIGGIE point, and I think this is what John is focusing on, is that
if the senior legislatures at both federal and state and county level
do not understand what a TIER is let alone a LAYER protocol let alone
the difference between MGB and mgb then the Broadbandits win by default
and it seems like the only people who really give a dam are people in
our groups and so Richard how are we going to Edumakreat ( deliberate
pun ) them thar burocrustraetions<br>
<br>
Count me in anyway you want, this sounds like Leapfrog on steroids
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John Brown wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:483A570A.4080500@citylinkfiber.com" type="cite">there
are other "major owners"
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You have ATT, Verizon (ex MCI), Global Crossing, Sprint, 360 Networks
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what people don't understand or know is that many of these don't "break
out" in NM.
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for example you can not get IP transit from Level3 in NM.
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its more complicated that most folks understand, and the layer 8 folks
like to keep it that way......
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peter wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Precisely the point John --- you look at
the primary fiber across NM and you see two current major owners Level
3 and Qwest . -- end game period. net newt died
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John Brown wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">and so i wonder how they will handle the
fact that they BUY transit from others are are not a tier 1 (meaning
default free in the routing table) and those others can/could limit
certain types of traffic flows.
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now if a tier 1 came out and said it was net-neutral, that would be a
BIG story.
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peter wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Yup net neutrality at a price ---
example from article below "/ //Users in Colorado, for example, will
have to cough up a staggering $33.95 a month for a 256Kbps DSL
connection—expensive by any standard (except perhaps in Kazakhstan
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070727-the-internet-in-kazakhstan-welcome-to-the-land-of-3355-per-month-dsl.html"><http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070727-the-internet-in-kazakhstan-welcome-to-the-land-of-3355-per-month-dsl.html></a>).
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