John <br><br>The most important part of your email is the last piece " <span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">since economics
often play a minor role in such decisions "</span> this is were the whole view on broadband and connectivity is wrong. ( Yes i know you mean cost to service but it goes deeper )<br><br>Ill use the Kazak example. I was sent this by a friend of mine at NOAA who are major funders in many of these initiatives as environmental data collection is a billion dollar market and accuracy and dependability of data is a major issue and that why huge investment is being made in systems like this ( yes US tax dollars ) Gotta have the big backbone and then plug in the sites by any means necessary. To them the real economic model is right up front especially with ferengi experts writing checks and showing them how<br>
<br>We always talk about the speed of the system and its size but pay little attention to the return value of what it can really do and what that means in economic returns current and in the future.<br><br>You were probably present when <em>Deutsche Telekom</em> made a bid for US West and that was the model they were using which has now been picked up by other European Telcoms like Alcatel. Probably in your filing system its still around , go look at the return layer value and how they wanted to go about it. Sadly they have now been sunk in the US by smart devices like Iphones and Ipods , talking of which there was a great conference up here on smart radio which you would have loved, If you want a link let me know<br>
<br>Metcalf's law still applies especially to the ultimate $$$$$ value of what systems can do.<br><br>To understand that you have to put on your bit hat and learn what network design best practices 101, how they are designed and and how they GROW are, which I doubt many today do, certainly at the telcoms and cable companies I deal with.<br>
<br>You are totally correct in the middle mile and the "latest rush to dooooooo something " but this again is politics with getting the money out there before you have developed a standard and practice of how to use the money and what the end result needs to be. Getting a local electrical utility to commit to 30% of its value in debt to build something they do not know how to is insanity but I am sure that problem will breed a bunch of experts which I suppose is some form of job creation.<br>
<br>So John next time you are up on the hill ( The pajarito one ) go ask them how much they spend on environmental data collection and utilization ( and how they do it ) and what that costs them to get it right and wrong ? Then dig deeper for other uses, will not even mention parametric modeling but that again is huge $$$ return.<br>
<br>Then think about what the transmission of this and similar data is worth.<br><br>Love the Sacred Wind metaphor,<br><br>Be well<br><br>( : ( : pete<br><br>-- <br>--------------------------------------<br>Pete Baston<br>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:48 AM, John Badal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jbadal@sacred-wind.com">jbadal@sacred-wind.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t WDM enable each
strand of a fiber route to carry an OC192, which operates at a capacity of
nearly 10 Gigs? If that’s the case, the backhaul capacity (which is
what Kazakh’s system is) of only one of our national carriers can ramp up
to 1,440 Gigs. Multiply that by the number of national and regional fiber
routes commonly possessing 96 fiber strands or 144 fiber strands, and we
get a big number. The issue really is for us, and certainly will be for
the Kazakhs (except those pillaging on horseback), how much of it will be lit
and driven to the neighborhood node to be made locally available. I think
we’re witnessing the local telcos now making a mad rush to the node in
urban areas as a pure defensive move against the Cable TV companies. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">As for rural areas, the Broadband Stimulus program largely
backed the middle mile and, I bet, a good chunk of that goes to rights of way
payments. Do we need fiber to every node in rural areas? My take is
no, but I’ll let the policymakers make that decision since economics
often play a minor role in such decisions. </span></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:1st-mile-nm-bounces@mailman.dcn.org" target="_blank">1st-mile-nm-bounces@mailman.dcn.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>peter baston<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Breecker<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Richard Lowenberg; <a href="mailto:1st-mile-nm@mailman.dcn.org" target="_blank">1st-mile-nm@mailman.dcn.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [1st-mile-nm] FCC approves CenturyLink, Qwest merger with
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Shucks even the Kiwis are
talking 100 Gig <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/17/alcatel_bids_110g_kiwi_fibre/" target="_blank">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/17/alcatel_bids_110g_kiwi_fibre/</a>
by the french no less and look whats happening in the fourth world<br>
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" Valsecchi says. Elsewhere, Kazakhstan telco Kazakhtelecom recently
put a 100Gbps link in the backbone network between Alma-Aty and
Taldy-Kurgan." <br>
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Yikes where does that leave the USA ?<br>
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Nice one for Jason " Kazakhtelecom is XXXXXXXX faster than our
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<p class="MsoNormal">Its here from the " National "sic plan although
its a future goal so dvide by year and political willpower<br>
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<a href="http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/broadband_speeds_in_perspective" target="_blank">http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/broadband_speeds_in_perspective</a><br>
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<i>The U.S. National Broadband Plan sets a goal of <b><span style="color: red;">4
Mbps downloads (1Mbps upload) by 2020</span></b>, which, by comparison is a
minimum of a half-decade later and often substantially slower than other
countries. The concomitant goal of 100 Mbps access for 100 million households
by 2020 would cover an estimated 74-76% of the population.<a href="http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/broadband_speeds_in_perspective#_ftn25" title="" target="_blank">[25]</a> 10 years ago, the United States was a
leader in broadband penetration; however, the latest OECD ranks the U.S. 15<sup>th</sup>,
behind France, Sweden, Canada, and a dozen other countries.<a name="12ee88f3fa995786_12ee4c8309547b34__ftnref"></a><a href="http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/broadband_speeds_in_perspective#_ftn26" title="" target="_blank">[26]</a> As our research clearly documents, even if
the U.S. achieves its current broadband speed targets by 2020, unless it
substantially raises its broadband goals, the country will remain substantially
behind many other countries. </i><br>
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Why is this a too low Junk speed, simple speeds are measured in megabits
and storage in Megabytes ( 8 bits in a byte ) so the true target for 9 years
out is .5 megabyte per second down and .125 megabyte up which I am sure is what
the target in the FCC and agreement plan defines although today who knows, cocombinet
goal is per price fluctuaion so they wil not be giving you 100 mps / 12.5
megabytes per second at $10 a month in the future or today.<br>
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The Jetsons must be laughing their heads of and thank goodness for smart
wireless and Steve Jobs<br>
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For those of you who are interested this is what we missed 10 years ago <a href="http://www.ideapete.com/leapfrog.html" target="_blank">http://www.ideapete.com/leapfrog.html</a>
and why the smoke and mirrors with speeds <a href="http://www.ideapete.com/megaBS.html" target="_blank">http://www.ideapete.com/megaBS.html</a></p>
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<p><a href="http://broadcastengineering.com/news/fcc-approves-centurylink-qwest-merger-with-conditions-20110323/" target="_blank">http://broadcastengineering.com/news/fcc-approves-centurylink-qwest-merger-with-conditions-20110323/</a> </p>
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<p>As a condition of the approval, the FCC imposed protections against the risk
of harm to competition and ensured the merged entity will live up to its
commitments to expand its network and launch a major broadband adoption program
for low-income consumers, an FCC statement said.</p>
<p>Based on the companies’ agreement to certain conditions, the FCC found
that the potential public interest benefits of the merger are likely to
outweigh the potential harms. </p>
<p>Among the conditions for approval were steps to improve broadband adoption
for low-income households. Specifically, the conditions include requiring the
launch of a major broadband adoption program focused on connecting the millions
of low-income consumers in the combined company’s 37-state territory.</p>
<p>The company also must offer qualifying households broadband starting at less
than $10 per month and a computer for less than $150 and keep the window open
for five years for qualifying consumers to sign up. And, the company must make
a significant annual commitment to marketing, outreach and digital literacy
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