<div><div dir="auto">Hi. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">the last mile, er the first mile is pretty easy to solve with todays technology</div><div dir="auto">As others have mentioned you have fiber and wireless (licensed or unlicensed) at very affordable costs</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">i think a challenge that many dont look at is the cost to get to the internet. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">who will be your upstream ??? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">will you be redundant and to what level of redundancy (cable, cable path, strands in a cable, equipment, etc)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">how will you handle the exhaustion of IPv4 addresses in most RIR regions today ??</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What issues will you run into with CG-NAT</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">will you deploy IPv6 ( its not a silver bullet)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">if you get IPv4 space from your upstream are you prepared for vendor lock ????</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">will you buy a internet connection?? or look at just buying optical transport to a major IXP and pick up both peering and transit ?? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">if you nat your public facing network will you have the telemetry to solve abuse issues, subpoena’s and such ??</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">a broadband plan needs to be more than just OSI layer 2 frame delivery. unless that is all the network is and you hope that someone else does the OSI layer 3 packets and such</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 01:11 Robert Jacobson <<a href="mailto:robert.jacobson@atelier-tomorrow.com">robert.jacobson@atelier-tomorrow.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div>Hi Richard,</div><div><br></div><div>I’m working with the Town of Patagonia, AZ, on its first broadband plan.</div><div><br></div><div>While it’s easy to see how a fiber drop and 5G transceivers can serve the majority of this 900-person community, it’s less obvious how to reach individuals beyond the immediate residential and business vicinity. Ironically, I’m a case in point: my new home, in the hilly region surrounding the Town, is a mile or so beyond the reach of the prospective broadband system. I’m like Moses leading the Jews to the Promised Land, but not allowed to cross over. More importantly, there are many residents in a similar position. How do other locales handle the problem of citizen and business outliers?</div><div><br></div><div>I’m not looking forward to leaving Cox Cable, even with all its shortcomings, behind, in exchange for CenturyLink DSL. I was blessed by the former Pacific Telesis with a DSL account in 1983, while I worked for the CA Legislature. It’s not improved one whit since its stuttering introduction back then.</div><div><br></div><div>Here’s to a better 2020!</div><div><br></div><div> Bob</div><div><br></div><div>
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Re: FCC: Improving and Increasing Broadband Deployment on<br> Tribal Lands (Owen Densmore)<br> 2. Re: FCC: Improving and Increasing Broadband Deployment on<br> Tribal Lands (Richard Lowenberg)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:58:21 -0700<br>From: Owen Densmore <<a href="mailto:owen@backspaces.net" target="_blank">owen@backspaces.net</a>><br>To: Richard Lowenberg <<a href="mailto:rl@1st-mile.org" target="_blank">rl@1st-mile.org</a>><br>Cc: 1st-mile Nm <<a href="mailto:1st-mile-nm@mailman.dcn.org" target="_blank">1st-mile-nm@mailman.dcn.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] FCC: Improving and Increasing Broadband<br><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Deployment on Tribal Lands<br>Message-ID:<br><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><CAN_LYRkzzFzgKicLKr5HCLRvYyACeD5tY_289=<a href="mailto:CZ4dBNA4NH2A@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CZ4dBNA4NH2A@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>N�?????????????z??{5<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>?"??�?{m????[jwm???)??q??????�??&?V?v?y?b?a{&?z????*'?�???????y????g?????????????]?????????Z?x?????s.?K�???y!?????????)?^?X?z)????'�????;�?:t???????x<?r�?t?0zv?<br>?f?W?? +????????&?�? +<br>j?x??????x?j????Ah?????????�?.?+?*???L?W?????Nz?v?h?4????^4???[-?)^??0?l?h?z??f?W??f??)?-?f?W??f??f?u?? m????6u???fj ?b???W??w?????<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>?????g??�???m??Q�? ? 0?'????*^?f???y?j?r�????}?|? �w???!??M5??<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:39:51 -0700<br>From: Richard Lowenberg <<a href="mailto:rl@1st-mile.org" target="_blank">rl@1st-mile.org</a>><br>To: Owen Densmore <<a href="mailto:owen@backspaces.net" target="_blank">owen@backspaces.net</a>><br>Cc: 1st-mile Nm <<a href="mailto:1st-mile-nm@mailman.dcn.org" target="_blank">1st-mile-nm@mailman.dcn.org</a>>,<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>1st-mile-nm<br><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><1st-mile-nm-bounces+rl=<a href="mailto:radlab.com@mailman.dcn.org" target="_blank">radlab.com@mailman.dcn.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] FCC: Improving and Increasing Broadband<br><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Deployment on Tribal Lands<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:eab62c12803c5ae860fcd562fa2eec2b@1st-mile.org" target="_blank">eab62c12803c5ae860fcd562fa2eec2b@1st-mile.org</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed<br><br>Owen,<br>Good to hear from you.<br>I'll be brief in my responses to fairly complex matters you ask about.<br><br>On 2019-12-18 09:58, Owen Densmore wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Thanks for the report. Brought up two questions:<br><br>1 - Casinos: Don't they use broadband, thus are a point of access for<br>the rest of the tribal lands? I realize they are typically on the<br>boundaries, to be close to customers, but still could be useful.<br><br></blockquote>I'm not privy to details but assume that many, of not most tribal <br>casinos<br>have high bandwidth fiber connections (for their networked gaming <br>machines)<br>and specific 'commercial' contracts with service providers.<br><br>These contracts are usually very restrictive to casino services, and are<br>therefore not a means of 'public' provision for their very underserved<br>communities.<br><br>Unfortunately, equitable tribal broadband development is economically<br>difficult, politically contentious and only one a small part of larger<br>eco-social relationship issues and world-views.<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">2 - Are tribal lands planning to use Elon Musk's StarLink?<br><br><a href="https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellite-internet-service-2020.html" target="_blank">https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellite-internet-service-2020.html</a><br><br></blockquote>Possibly. But, we are about to experience a number of satellite <br>broadband<br>provision services in the coming years, including Dish, which is a <br>partner<br>in the proposed Sprint/T-Mobile merger. There are current plans and <br>approvals<br>for launch of at least 20,000-40,000 sats. (Environmental Impact Reports <br>not<br>required). The emergence of new convergent service partnerships, <br>offerings,<br>failures and costs for a proposed society of "IDIoTS" (Intelligent <br>Devices<br>on the Internet of Things) is worrisome.<br><br>Comments by others are appreciated.<br><br>All seasonable best,<br>Richard<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"> -- Owen<br><br>On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 12:54 PM Richard Lowenberg <<a href="mailto:rl@1st-mile.org" target="_blank">rl@1st-mile.org</a>><br>wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">A recent report from the FCC's Native Nations Communications<br>Task Force.<br><br></blockquote></blockquote><br>---------------------------------------------------------------<br>Richard Lowenberg, Executive Director<br>1st-Mile Institute 505-603-5200<br>Box 8001, Santa Fe, NM 87504,<br><a href="mailto:rl@1st-mile.org" target="_blank">rl@1st-mile.org</a> <a href="http://www.1st-mile.org" target="_blank">www.1st-mile.org</a><br>---------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>1st-mile-nm mailing list<br><a href="mailto:1st-mile-nm@mailman.dcn.org" target="_blank">1st-mile-nm@mailman.dcn.org</a><br><a href="http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/1st-mile-nm" target="_blank">http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/1st-mile-nm</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>End of 1st-mile-nm Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7<br>*******************************************<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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