[env-trinity] The Mercury News: The reason that California wildfires are worse than ever

Kier Associates kierassociates at att.net
Mon Aug 6 12:06:54 PDT 2018

So good to hear from you, Nadine


Over the past 560 days it’s become increasingly popular for one sector of our society to accuse others of speaking falsely


Perhaps you can tell me just what it was that I said that was untruthful




From: Nadine Bailey [mailto:nadine.bailey at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 11:14 AM
To: Peggy Berry; Kier Associates
Cc: env-trinity at velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us; Michael N. Kobseff; Anton Jaegel; Danielle Roberts Lindler
Subject: Re: [env-trinity] The Mercury News: The reason that California wildfires are worse than ever


Well there are some of out there that live and work in these forest and have lived and worked in them for centuries and we do not see what Bill and Denise have shared as truth. The fact is fire has been suppressed in these forest for decades and now we are all paying the price. These forest must be thinned to save them and the wildlife and people that live near them. Don't throw the forest out with the fires. If anyone would like a tour I am more than willing to take you and show you where the fires have burnt and reburning at a hotter temp. Please get out of the office and go out on the land and see for yourself. Nadine




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“And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years. It was always that way.” John Steinbeck





From: Peggy Berry <pegberry1 at gmail.com>
To: Kier Associates <kierassociates at att.net> 
Cc: env-trinity at velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [env-trinity] The Mercury News: The reason that California wildfires are worse than ever


Thank you Bill Kier and Denise Boggs for shining the spotlight on the truth:  Humans who demand to build their homes wherever they want  — inaccessible forest lands, ocean cliffs, etc. because they think they are entitled to THEIR OWN wishes.


I mourn the firefighters who are then expected to save them and their homes - and sometimes unselfishly give their lives - so others are able to get what they want  based on selfish desires and demands.


Something besides money and profit need to redefine “entitlements!”


Peggy Berry

On Aug 5, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Kier Associates <kierassociates at att.net> wrote:


Trinity environmental list-ers


For what it’s worth State gov’t leadership has been trying to discourage this building in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) for well more than 50 years. 


We had some very dry winters in the early ‘60s and some terrible wildfires immediately thereafter. When I joined what is now the CA Natural Resources Agency in early 1964 we were going around to various local gov’ts, groups, etc., with a film that showed, for example, homes built at the top of canyons in the Santa Monica Mtns, with huge jutting redwood decks from which to view to the ocean, catching the 1,000 degree F.-plus canyon updraft and literally exploding.


There’s been a too-subdued policy discussion for decades about the ‘State Responsibility Lands’, those not served directly by a local fire agency or federal land mgt agency. 


As the cost for serving these lands with State fire protection grew over time the State finally instituted a modest annual fee (like $150) on property-owners to help support fire prevention/ suppression on these so-called ‘State Responsibility Lands’


This fee has become, not surprisingly, a whipping-boy for CA’s mostly-rural conservative politicians – it’s playing heavily into the current legislative discussions about the 2017 wildfires and into the 2018 election cycle


For those of us living in urban areas who are paying what we hope is our fair share for fire prevention and suppression services, we – I, anyway – find ourselves 1- aghast at and saddened by the enormity of the Carr Fire; and 2- wondering when the cost of unbridled residential incursion into the WUI is going to become a sufficient issue in California that the rest of us may see some relief from subsidizing it.




Bill Kier

Kier Associates, Fisheries and Watershed Professionals

15 Junipero Serra Avenue

San Rafael, CA 94901

Office:  415.721.7548

Mobile: 415.306.6123  

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From: env-trinity [mailto:env-trinity-bounces at velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us] On Behalf Of Denise Boggs
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2018 6:26 PM
To: env-trinity at velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us
Subject: [env-trinity] The Mercury News: The reason that California wildfires are worse than ever


The National Forests aren’t the problem. It’s people living in areas they shouldn’t be. Interesting stats on CA and the wildfires throughout the state over time. Some of these areas have burned multiple times and people keep rebuilding in the same place. The state’s landscape is prone to fires and they are going burn regardless. Climate change only makes it worse.


“The Carr Fire burning in Shasta County was started by a single spark from a towed trailer on a road in Whiskeytown National Recreation Area. It then quickly raced into high-end new residential subdivisions such as Lake Redding Estates, where it destroyed 65 upscale homes.”

The reason that California wildfires are worse than ever
The Mercury News

As California grows, people are moving into the rural edges of cities where we weren't before -- creating an "expanding bull’s eye’ effect" of higher wildfire risk, according to a new study by geographer Stephen M. Strader of Villanova University.  <https://apple.news/AO3JyVOhZQvS4W7C_ou3raQ> Read the full story

Denise Boggs

 <http://www.conservationcongress-ca.org/> Www.conservationcongress-ca.org


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'Before the Deluge' Jackson Browne

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