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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Tom,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that was part of the rationale used in the CDFG report when they came up with their estimate. </FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us on behalf of Tom Stokely<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tue 8/7/2007 1:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Guillen, George J.; Craig Tucker; jay_glase@nps.gov; Byron Leydecker; Peter Brucker; Regina C<BR><B>Cc:</B> Trinity List; env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us; FOTR List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [env-trinity] Eureka Times Standard - 8/2/07<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All I know about the 2002 Kill-Off (Die-off + Fish Kill) is that for the first time since they've been monitoring spring and fall chinook runs on the Trinity River, the spring chinook outnumbered the fall chinook by a factor of about 2/1. Normally, the fall chinook outnumber the spring chinook by 2/1.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We had roughly 18,000 fall chinook adults return to the Trinity River in 2002. There were roughly 36,000 spring chinook. If one assumes that the 2/1 ratio is reversed due to the Kill-Off, then we lost 54,000 adult fall chinook from the Trinity River alone. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If there were 36,000 springers, then there should have been approximately 72,000 fall chinook.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you subtract 18,000 from 72,000, you get 54,000 missing fall chinook adults from the Trinity River. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So anyway, I don't think that 80,000 fish lost in 2002 is unrealistic. Of course, nobody will know because of carcasses floating away, rotting, being eaten, etc. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Respectfully submitted,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>Tom Stokely<BR>Principal Planner<BR>Trinity Co. Planning/Natural Resources<BR>PO Box 2819<BR>60 Glen Rd.<BR>Weaverville, CA 96093-2819<BR>530-623-1351, Press 2-2-1<BR>FAX 623-1353<BR><A href="mailto:tstokely@trinityalps.net">tstokely@trinityalps.net</A> or <A href="mailto:tstokely@trinitycounty.org">tstokely@trinitycounty.org</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=Guillen@uhcl.edu href="mailto:Guillen@uhcl.edu">Guillen, George J.</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ctucker@karuk.us href="mailto:ctucker@karuk.us">Craig Tucker</A> ; <A title=jay_glase@nps.gov href="mailto:jay_glase@nps.gov">jay_glase@nps.gov</A> ; <A title=bwl3@comcast.net href="mailto:bwl3@comcast.net">Byron Leydecker</A> ; <A title=pbrucker@srrc.org href="mailto:pbrucker@srrc.org">Peter Brucker</A> ; <A title=klamath@riseup.net href="mailto:klamath@riseup.net">Regina C</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=env-trinity@crank.dcn.davis.ca.us href="mailto:env-trinity@crank.dcn.davis.ca.us">Trinity List</A> ; <A title=env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us href="mailto:env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us">env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</A> ; <A title=fotr@crank.dcn.davis.ca.us href="mailto:fotr@crank.dcn.davis.ca.us">FOTR List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:17 AM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Craig et al.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Unless I am becoming senile I think you have that backward. As the author of the FWS report back then we initially estimated the 33K </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Excerpt from Guillen, G. 2003. Klamath River Fish Die-off, Spetember 2002, Mortality Report, FWS. AFWO-01-03</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>34,056 total dead fish</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>33,527 salmonids, 97.1% fall run Chinook.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>CDFG effectively bumped it up later in their reported saying their analysis provided evidence that could double the original estimate i.e. 68K. Don't know where the latest 80K came from.</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us">env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</A> on behalf of Craig Tucker<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sat 8/4/2007 12:00 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:jay_glase@nps.gov">jay_glase@nps.gov</A>; 'Byron Leydecker'; Peter Brucker; Regina C<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'Trinity List'; <A href="mailto:env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us">env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</A>; 'FOTR List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [env-trinity] Eureka Times Standard - 8/2/07<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>It was the USFWS final report that increased the number from CA Fish and<BR>Game's early estimate of 35,000 to 68,000. Thus the inflation began.<BR><BR><BR>S. Craig Tucker, Ph.D.<BR>Klamath Campaign Coordinator<BR>Karuk Tribe of California<BR>office: 530-627-3446 x3027<BR>cell: 916-207-8294<BR>ctucker@karuk.us<BR><BR>www.karuk.us<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us<BR>[<A href="mailto:env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us">mailto:env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</A>] On Behalf Of<BR>jay_glase@nps.gov<BR>Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:56 PM<BR>To: Byron Leydecker<BR>Cc: FOTR List; Trinity List; env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us<BR>Subject: Re: [env-trinity] Eureka Times Standard - 8/2/07<BR><BR>The only downside I see to articles like this is that seemingly every time<BR>I read one, the number of dead salmon increases. I realize that sometimes<BR>it's the press, updated estimates, rounding numbers, etc. but<BR>inconsistencies that start at 35,000 and go up to (most recently) 80,000<BR>don't bode well for the science behind all of this. If the estimates have<BR>been recalculated and are reasonably solid, it would be good to see that<BR>kind of information in print. Not that I don't think this was a horrific<BR>deed - it most certainly was - but pretty soon it'll be up to 100,000 dead<BR>salmon, and credibility will be in question.<BR><BR><BR>Jay Glase<BR>Great Lakes Area Fishery Biologist<BR>National Park Service<BR>800 E Lakeshore Dr<BR>Houghton, MI 49931<BR>906-487-7167<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>|---------+----------------------------------------------><BR>| | "Byron Leydecker" |<BR>| | <bwl3@comcast.net> |<BR>| | Sent by: |<BR>| | env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.|<BR>| | davis.ca.us |<BR>| | |<BR>| | |<BR>| | 08/02/2007 06:08 PM MST |<BR>|---------+----------------------------------------------><BR><BR>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>---------------------------------------------------|<BR> |<BR>|<BR> | To: "FOTR List" <fotr@mailman.dcn.org>, "Trinity List"<BR><env-trinity@mailman.dcn.org> |<BR> | cc: (bcc: Jay Glase/Omaha/NPS)<BR>|<BR> | Subject: [env-trinity] Eureka Times Standard - 8/2/07<BR>|<BR><BR>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>---------------------------------------------------|<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Thompson decries VP's Klamath interference<BR>Eureka Times Standard - 8/2/07<BR><BR>After new evidence was revealed during a House Natural Resources Committee<BR>hearing on whether government officials manipulated science in order to<BR>divert water from the Klamath River, North Coast Rep. Mike Thompson issued<BR>a statement blasting that abuse of the process.<BR><BR>"(Tuesday's) hearing is clear evidence that the scientific process behind<BR>the water diversion was purposely manipulated by government officials,"<BR>said Thompson. "Sidestepping this process led to an illegal water plan that<BR>contributed to the largest adult salmon kill in the West."<BR><BR>The Department of Commerce's inspector general testified that department<BR>officials bypassed key oversight mechanisms when creating a biological<BR>opinion on how a water diversion would affect endangered fish in the<BR>Klamath.<BR><BR>The final biological opinion, which was later found in violation of the<BR>Endangered Species Act, contributed to the deaths of roughly 80,000<BR>spawning salmon.<BR><BR>The hearing was held by the House Natural Resources Committee in response<BR>to a request made by Thompson and 35 of his Democratic colleagues from<BR>California and Oregon.<BR><BR>They called for the hearing because of the reported pressure Vice President<BR>Dick Cheney placed upon the Department of Interior to, as the Washington<BR>Post stated in its June investigative report, "prioritize economic<BR>interests over protected fish."<BR><BR>The Post reported that the vice president called for water to be diverted<BR>from the Klamath River Basin to farms in Oregon in order to secure the<BR>farmers' votes.<BR><BR>Cheney declined to testify at the hearing.<BR><BR>"The history of political strong-arming in the Klamath is despicable," said<BR>Thompson. "Fortunately, a silver lining has begun to form. Stakeholders in<BR>the Klamath River Basin are working together on a plan to recover the fish<BR>and help the farmers who need water for their land.<BR><BR>"I believe there is room for both the fishers and the farmers, but we must<BR>ensure the government's future involvement is transparent and honest,"<BR>Thompson said. "To that end, I am committed to continuing this<BR>investigation and improving the oversight process."<BR><BR><BR>Byron Leydecker<BR>Friends of Trinity River, Chair<BR>California Trout, Inc., Advisor<BR>PO Box 2327<BR>Mill Valley, CA 94942-2327<BR>415 383 4810<BR>415 519 4810 cell<BR>bwl3@comcast.net<BR>bleydecker@stanfordalumni.org<BR><A href="http://www.fotr.org/">http://www.fotr.org</A><BR><A href="http://www.caltrout.org/">http://www.caltrout.org</A><BR><BR><BR> _______________________________________________<BR>env-trinity mailing list<BR>env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us<BR><A href="http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/env-trinity">http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/env-trinity</A><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>env-trinity mailing list<BR>env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us<BR><A href="http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/env-trinity">http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/env-trinity</A><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>env-trinity mailing list<BR>env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us<BR><A href="http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/env-trinity">http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/env-trinity</A><BR></FONT></P></DIV>
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