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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All I know about the 2002 Kill-Off (Die-off + Fish
Kill) is that for the first time since they've been monitoring spring and fall
chinook runs on the Trinity River, the spring chinook outnumbered the fall
chinook by a factor of about 2/1. Normally, the fall chinook outnumber the
spring chinook by 2/1.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We had roughly 18,000 fall chinook adults return to
the Trinity River in 2002. There were roughly 36,000 spring chinook.
If one assumes that the 2/1 ratio is reversed due to the Kill-Off, then we lost
54,000 adult fall chinook from the Trinity River alone. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If there were 36,000 springers, then there should
have been approximately 72,000 fall chinook.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you subtract 18,000 from 72,000, you get 54,000
missing fall chinook adults from the Trinity River. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So anyway, I don't think that 80,000 fish lost in
2002 is unrealistic. Of course, nobody will know because of carcasses
floating away, rotting, being eaten, etc. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Respectfully submitted,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><BR>Tom Stokely<BR>Principal Planner<BR>Trinity Co. Planning/Natural
Resources<BR>PO Box 2819<BR>60 Glen Rd.<BR>Weaverville, CA
96093-2819<BR>530-623-1351, Press 2-2-1<BR>FAX 623-1353<BR><A
href="mailto:tstokely@trinityalps.net">tstokely@trinityalps.net</A> or <A
href="mailto:tstokely@trinitycounty.org">tstokely@trinitycounty.org</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Guillen@uhcl.edu href="mailto:Guillen@uhcl.edu">Guillen, George
J.</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ctucker@karuk.us
href="mailto:ctucker@karuk.us">Craig Tucker</A> ; <A title=jay_glase@nps.gov
href="mailto:jay_glase@nps.gov">jay_glase@nps.gov</A> ; <A
title=bwl3@comcast.net href="mailto:bwl3@comcast.net">Byron Leydecker</A> ; <A
title=pbrucker@srrc.org href="mailto:pbrucker@srrc.org">Peter Brucker</A> ; <A
title=klamath@riseup.net href="mailto:klamath@riseup.net">Regina C</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=env-trinity@crank.dcn.davis.ca.us
href="mailto:env-trinity@crank.dcn.davis.ca.us">Trinity List</A> ; <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:17
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [env-trinity] Eureka Times
Standard - 8/2/07</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Craig et al.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Unless I am becoming senile I think you
have that backward. As the author of the FWS report back then we
initially estimated the 33K </FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Excerpt from Guillen, G. 2003. Klamath
River Fish Die-off, Spetember 2002, Mortality Report, FWS.
AFWO-01-03</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>34,056 total dead fish</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>33,527 salmonids, 97.1% fall run
Chinook.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>CDFG effectively bumped it up later in
their reported saying their analysis provided evidence that could double the
original estimate i.e. 68K. Don't know where the latest 80K came
from.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>GG</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us">env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</A>
on behalf of Craig Tucker<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sat 8/4/2007 12:00 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
<A href="mailto:jay_glase@nps.gov">jay_glase@nps.gov</A>; 'Byron Leydecker';
Peter Brucker; Regina C<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'Trinity List'; <A
href="mailto:env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us">env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</A>;
'FOTR List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [env-trinity] Eureka Times Standard -
8/2/07<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>It was the USFWS final report that increased the number from
CA Fish and<BR>Game's early estimate of 35,000 to 68,000. Thus the inflation
began.<BR><BR><BR>S. Craig Tucker, Ph.D.<BR>Klamath Campaign
Coordinator<BR>Karuk Tribe of California<BR>office: 530-627-3446
x3027<BR>cell:
916-207-8294<BR>ctucker@karuk.us<BR><BR>www.karuk.us<BR><BR>-----Original
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On Behalf Of<BR>jay_glase@nps.gov<BR>Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:56
PM<BR>To: Byron Leydecker<BR>Cc: FOTR List; Trinity List;
env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us<BR>Subject: Re: [env-trinity]
Eureka Times Standard - 8/2/07<BR><BR>The only downside I see to articles like
this is that seemingly every time<BR>I read one, the number of dead salmon
increases. I realize that sometimes<BR>it's the press, updated
estimates, rounding numbers, etc. but<BR>inconsistencies that start at
35,000 and go up to (most recently) 80,000<BR>don't bode well for the science
behind all of this. If the estimates have<BR>been recalculated and are
reasonably solid, it would be good to see that<BR>kind of information in
print. Not that I don't think this was a horrific<BR>deed - it most
certainly was - but pretty soon it'll be up to 100,000 dead<BR>salmon, and
credibility will be in question.<BR><BR><BR>Jay Glase<BR>Great Lakes Area
Fishery Biologist<BR>National Park Service<BR>800 E Lakeshore Dr<BR>Houghton,
MI
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Subject: [env-trinity] Eureka Times Standard -
8/2/07<BR>|<BR><BR>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>---------------------------------------------------|<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Thompson
decries VP's Klamath interference<BR>Eureka Times Standard -
8/2/07<BR><BR>After new evidence was revealed during a House Natural Resources
Committee<BR>hearing on whether government officials manipulated science in
order to<BR>divert water from the Klamath River, North Coast Rep. Mike
Thompson issued<BR>a statement blasting that abuse of the
process.<BR><BR>"(Tuesday's) hearing is clear evidence that the scientific
process behind<BR>the water diversion was purposely manipulated by government
officials,"<BR>said Thompson. "Sidestepping this process led to an illegal
water plan that<BR>contributed to the largest adult salmon kill in the
West."<BR><BR>The Department of Commerce's inspector general testified that
department<BR>officials bypassed key oversight mechanisms when creating a
biological<BR>opinion on how a water diversion would affect endangered fish in
the<BR>Klamath.<BR><BR>The final biological opinion, which was later found in
violation of the<BR>Endangered Species Act, contributed to the deaths of
roughly 80,000<BR>spawning salmon.<BR><BR>The hearing was held by the House
Natural Resources Committee in response<BR>to a request made by Thompson and
35 of his Democratic colleagues from<BR>California and Oregon.<BR><BR>They
called for the hearing because of the reported pressure Vice President<BR>Dick
Cheney placed upon the Department of Interior to, as the Washington<BR>Post
stated in its June investigative report, "prioritize economic<BR>interests
over protected fish."<BR><BR>The Post reported that the vice president called
for water to be diverted<BR>from the Klamath River Basin to farms in Oregon in
order to secure the<BR>farmers' votes.<BR><BR>Cheney declined to testify at
the hearing.<BR><BR>"The history of political strong-arming in the Klamath is
despicable," said<BR>Thompson. "Fortunately, a silver lining has begun to
form. Stakeholders in<BR>the Klamath River Basin are working together on a
plan to recover the fish<BR>and help the farmers who need water for their
land.<BR><BR>"I believe there is room for both the fishers and the farmers,
but we must<BR>ensure the government's future involvement is transparent and
honest,"<BR>Thompson said. "To that end, I am committed to continuing
this<BR>investigation and improving the oversight process."<BR><BR><BR>Byron
Leydecker<BR>Friends of Trinity River, Chair<BR>California Trout, Inc.,
Advisor<BR>PO Box 2327<BR>Mill Valley, CA 94942-2327<BR>415 383 4810<BR>415
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