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color:#1F497D'>Thanks Dane for your comments. Hopefully by airing this
issue on a list-serv which has many qualified participants enough documentation
will be brought forth for us to arrive at a consensual understanding so that as
a well informed public we can then inform the press and petition our
governmental representatives to legislate changes that will improve existing conditions.
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Dane Wigington
[mailto:danew@frontier.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> bhill@igc.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Michael Murphy; BHolt@usbr.gov<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [env-trinity] What are they Spraying us with?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hello Brian,<br>
I appreciate that you took the time to begin looking at this most important
issue. I would like to address some of the comments made by Mr. Holt.<br>
First, Mr. Holt mentions aluminum mobilization due to acid rain. This has no
connection whatsoever to our problem here. Our rain is literally packed with
aluminum as dozens of lab tests have already proven. Not only is our rain NOT
very acidic, it is about 10 times plus more alkaline than it should be or has
historically been (from 5.6 previously - to 6.8 today). The levels of aluminum
in our rain has in some cases escalated as much as 50,000 percent in the last
five years, 50,000%. I have personally spoken to a geohydrologist that stated
clearly there should not be anything over .05 ppb of aluminum in precipitation
even in most urban areas. We have had single rain events as high as 3450 ppb.
That makes this particular test amount 69,000 times higher than what would
otherwise be an expected high. <br>
Mr. Holt says a half dozen "contrails" that remain in the sky are
normal over the area. He does not mention that often there are trails going
from east to west. First, my background is in solar power. I worked on one of
the first commercial solar power facilities in the continental US in the early
80s and my home was the cover article for the worlds largest RE magazine.
Whatever is coming out of the jets began to cause radically more "solar
obscuration" starting about 5 years ago. On many days I literally lose 50%
or more of my solar uptake from whatever the jets are putting out. This was
never the case for the first years I lived in Shasta County from 01 to 04.
Second, flight paths and frequency was checked for the skies over our area.
There should only be an average of one aircraft every ten minutes or so and NO
east west at all. Mr. Buford does not mention that many of the aircraft that
appear to be "spraying" have a trail that is totally different in
composition from one side of the aircraft when compared to the other. Mr.
Buford had apparently not investigated the numerous "geoengineering"
patents that describe exactly the scenario we see in our skies and the first
elements called out as materials in these patents are exactly what has begun
showing up on the ground.<br>
Mr. Holt mentions the western part of Shasta Lake, all tests near Shasta lake
were taken completely on the far east side of the lake far away from any former
mining operations. Snow tests from the side of Mt. Shasta, far away from Lake
Shasta mining, were as high as 61,000 ppb. Other tests have been taken across
the US and in Europe. The results are the same.<br>
Next, ground water sources have shown NO contamination. The contamination is
from the air and has not yet entered the ground water system.<br>
Finally, regarding soil Ph. I know for a fact that the comparisons are not
guesswork. I have held in my hands the original soils Ph study done by the USDA
in the 60s that gave very defined Phs for literally every soil type in all of
Shasta County. It is a very expensive manual containing 136 fold out maps
logging every bit of land in the county. The soil PH has changed radically in
only the last five years. I have been with USDA soils scientists that tested Ph
where they estimated it should have been about 5.5. It was near 7 in one
location and well over in another. The Ph results that should have been are
confirmed in the USDA manual mentioned.<br>
I mean no disrespect to Mr. Holt. I believe he sincerely replied to you inquiry
and I would welcome any opportunity to present lab test results and other data
to Mr. Holt. One thing I just can't bring myself to understand is why this
issue sounds so preposterous to people. Everything described is exactly what
all recognized "geoengineers" are urgently pushing. Nearly every
major scientific publication has outlined the scenario we see in our skies as
proposed programs. Yet, those who present the evidence that these programs are
already underway are written off as "nuts". I personally attended the
AAAS international conference on this subject and heard the geoengineering
panel with my own ears as they pressed for the immediate deployment of aircraft
to deploy 20,000,000 tones of aluminum into the atmosphere. I then heard them
admit that virtually NO study has been done whatsoever as to the fall out from
such programs.<br>
Brian, I most sincerely hope that you and Mr. Holt will continue your
investigation into this most dire issue.<br>
Dane Wigington<br>
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FYI,<br>
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This is in respone to one of my articles<br>
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Michael Murphy<br>
310-431-8890<br>
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From: bhill@igc.org<br>
To: BHolt@usbr.gov<br>
CC: bioguy0311@sbcglobal.net; whtagft@hotmail.com; tstokely@att.net<br>
Subject: RE: [env-trinity] What are they Spraying us with?<br>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:37:41 -0700<br>
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Thanks Buford - It seems to me that there is more involved than what we used to
call jet streams. Lets see what others say. I'll try to forward the
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<b>From:</b> Holt, Buford R [mailto:BHolt@usbr.gov]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 12, 2010 5:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian Hill<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [env-trinity] What are they Spraying us with?<br>
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I certainly can’t give you definitive responses, but I can comment on
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help much, but they are interspersed in the following narrative and at least on
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<b>What Are They Spraying Us With? - Pt II </b><br>
<b>Could Aluminum, Barium and Other Substances From Stratospheric Aerosol</b><br>
<b>Geo-Engineering Programs be Destroying Eco-Systems around the World?</b><br>
By Michael J. Murphy<br>
4-11-10<br>
What would you do if you were told that toxic substances being sprayed into the
sky are falling to the ground and decimating eco-systems around the
world? This very claim, made by concerned citizens outside the
American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) meeting last month
in San Diego, sparked my interest to investigate further. <br>
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The AAAS meeting hosted several top geo-engineering scientists who
gathered to discuss the "plausibility" of implementing various
geo-engineering programs throughout the world. One of the options
addressed was the stratospheric aerosol geo-engineering (SAG) , AKA chemtrail
program, where scientists discussed the "plausibility" of
spraying aerosol aluminum, barium and other particles into the sky to block the
sun as a means to "reduce" the Earth's
temperature. When asked specifically about the potential risks
associated with using aluminum in the program as an aerosol, scientists replied
by stating that they have not studied much about the risks associated with
aluminum and added that something terrible could be found tomorrow that they
haven't looked at. When probed further about the deployment of
existing aerosol programs, the scientists stated that no aerosol spraying
programs have been deployed to date.<br>
It is worth noting that Al mobilization in soils was given a fair amount of
attention in the 70’s in association with the acid rain concerns
prominent at the time. To the extent that acidity affects Al in soils,
you might find the literature re mining districts like Copper Hill, Tennessee;
Trail, British Columbia; and Sudbury , Ontario useful, as well as the work
published by the EPA and others re acid rain in the Adirondacks. There is also
a lot of older stuff from the Nordic lands, particularly Sweden, which were
downwind of the factories of Great Britain and had acid soils to begin with,
given the predominance of conifer and heath cover in those countries. There is
also fascinating material on the genetic differentiation of straits of wind
pollinated grasses on old mine heaps in Wales, but I am sorrow I can’t
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The concerned citizens I met outside the meeting were claiming
quite the opposite. They came in protest after witnessing airplanes
that they believe are regularly spraying aerosols into the upper-part of the
sky. Many from this group have tested and found extremely high
levels of aluminum, barium and other substances in their soil, rain, water and
snow. Ironically, the substances that they reported finding are the
same substances the scientists are "considering" implementing in the
various aerosol spraying programs discussed at the meeting. They
also believe that these substances are leading to the destruction of
eco-systems and are coming from already deployed SAG
programs. Due to the severity of this issue and my desire to
know the truth, I was led to Shasta County in the Northern part of
California to investigate not only the claims of what is being reported in the
sky, but also claims of what is in the rain, water, snow and soil from what
many residents are saying is the result of SAG programs. <br>
I can verify that one often sees six to eight contrails in the sky over
Redding on days when contrails form, but they seem readily explicable as being
contrails of conventional aircraft flying between SFO and Portland/Seattle. <br>
The first stop on this trip led me to Dane Wigington's beautiful 2000 acre
property overlooking Lake Shasta. As we toured his breath-taking
land, he pointed to multiple trails that blanketed the sky. He
claimed the trails are present on most days above Northern
California. Wigington referred to this as a "moderate
spraying day". Like many other residents in Shasta County,
Wigington moved to the area to get away from the heavy pollution of Southern
California that he grew up with as a child. His dreams of living off
the land and becoming one with nature are now coming to a grinding halt as he
is focusing his time and energy on the issue of geo-engineering. <br>
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Wigington became concerned about SAG when he began to notice dramatic changes
in the solar power that he uses to supply his home and property. Owner of
one of the largest residential solar systems in Northern California, he began
to notice very high declines in solar power. It can be decreased by
as much as 60 percent on what he calls "heavy spraying
days". Wigington said, "The trails are literally
blocking the sun". He also went on to say that he
regularly samples the fine dust layers on top of his solar panels and other
outdoor surface areas and frequently finds very high levels of aluminum and
barium. Wigington believes that these are a product of SAG programs.
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At the same time as finding decreased solar power, Wigington also began to
witness dramatic changes on his property as the trees, grass, insects and
wildlife started dying. This led him to get his first rain test just
four years ago. The results were shocking as they found aluminum
levels at 7 ug/l or 7 parts per billion. Although aluminum can be
found around the world in smaller quantities, geo-hydrologists told him that
this number was quite high. Since that time, he has had aluminum
tests escalate as high as 50,000 percent to 3,400ug/l. That is
literally toxic rain. These results prompted him to get additional
pH tests from two USDA soil scientists which yielded more shocking results. The
pH of the soil was 6.6 in one area and 7.4 in another. This is over
11 times the normal alkalinity of the soil which should be in the range of 5.0
to 5.5. It is important to note the tests were taken in the forest
far removed from any highway or industry. <br>
It is worth keeping in mind that the western part of the Shasta Lake area is an
old mining district whose air pollution led to the nation’s first air
pollution laws when fruit trees started dying south of Redding. So there is
surely a lot heavy metal contamination associated with those old copper mines
and smelters. The Iron Mountain Mine alone contributed tons of Cu, Cd,
and Zn per day to the Sacramento River prior to development of mitigation
measures and the soils around the Spring Creek Reservoir are excessive high in
As. <br>
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When asked what these changes can do to the ecosystem, Wigington replied by
saying that it is devastating. He went on to say, "if
this continues, we can only expect to see things get much worse. Not
only are we seeing our trees dying here, but also a major decline in our
wildlife and fish". As a matter of fact, Wigington stated that
according to The National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, the salmon run,
once seen in abundance in this area has declined from 769,868 in 2002 to 39,530
in 2009. That is over a 90 percent decline. Amazingly
enough, this decline started occurring about the same period of time when
residents began to see a dramatic increase in what they believe to be SAG programs. Wigington's
efforts to get these issues and test results addressed has been largely ignored
by government agencies and officials. <br>
Again, there are other sources of disturbance to weigh in this matter. The dams
certainly played a major role, mining has contributed, over-fishing, water
diversions, introductions of exotic species, etc. that is not to say
water chemistry is not a problem, only that it is one among many. <br>
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After a closer look at Wigington's property, my initial awe of the beauty and
breath taking views led to sadness, frustration and anger over the
contamination that is literally destroying the eco-system. This led
me to investigate further by seeking an expert in biology. I packed
up the car and headed north to the breathtaking town of Mt.
Shasta. Mt. Shasta has been known for its beauty, clean air
and as being the source of water for some bottled water
companies. Many travel from around the world to mountain climb and
vacation in this beautiful part of Western America.<br>
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Francis Mangels, BS in Forestry, Masters in zoology and a retired soil
conservationist and wildlife biologist who worked for the U.S. Forest Service
for over thirty five years, welcomed me into his beautiful home in the town of
Mt. Shasta to discuss the "hidden" crisis that is occurring. Mangels
alerted me to the rapid decline of fish in the nearby rivers and
streams. Mangels brought me to a nearby creek that had an
abundant supply of fish just a few years ago. Because the primary
diet of the fish in the creek is aquatic insects, he performed a standard
sample method to measure the amount of insects present. The samples
he had performed before the alleged aerosol spraying campaign had yielded
an average of 1000 aquatic insects. Our sample yielded only
31. This is over a 96% decline from samples taken just a few years
ago. Mangels stated that because the fish live off of the insects,
they are literally starving. This rapid decline is likely due to
changes in the chemistry of the water. The only changes that Mangels
is aware of are the dramatic increases of aluminum, barium and strontium which
he believes is from SAG programs.<br>
This is more interesting with respect to the chem.-trails claims that the
decline of the salmon since you are speaking here of fish above the dams. <br>
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We also took time to test the pH of nearby soil and snow which contained over
10 times the alkalinity of the normal pH. Mangels has evidence that
this drastic change in pH is also due to the massive increases of
aluminum. He stated that forests, fields and farm ecologies thrive
in acidic soils. Aluminum acts as a buffer that increases alkalinity
and can decimate ecologies in large amounts. Mangels also pointed
out that snow on Mt. Shasta was tested and sent to theEnvironmental Protection
Agency (E.P.A.) who found results that contained 61,100 ug/l or parts per
billion of aluminum and 83 ug/l of barium. The normal amount
of aluminum in the snow at Mt. Shasta is 0.5 ug/l. Drinking water
allowable is 50ug/l. That means that the snow on Mt.
Shasta has tested at 1200 times more poisonous than water standards allow for
aluminum. Mangels said, "Mountain climbers that come from
around the world are drinking the poisonous water from the snow on the
mountain". Mangels went on to say that government
action is required at just 1000 ug/l of detected aluminum. Although
he alerted several government agencies of these findings, no governmental
action has been taken to date. <br>
It would be interesting to know what the metals levels are at depth in the
small glaciers still present on Mount Shasta. Certainly, the analyses of
glacial ice from the Greenland icecap have shown increasing levels of lead
correlated with the growth of human industry. It would be interesting to
see if a larger suite of metals have been measured. Certainly, it would
give you some background data, and should be relevant as volcanic emissions and
nuclear bomb test data have shown that materials can be well dispersed global
with a couple of years.<br>
Mengels brought me to several other locations around the town of Mt.
Shasta where he tested the soil, rain, water and snow that also yielded tests
that revealed the pH to be over ten times the normal alkalinity. He
went on to say that these types of changes in soil, water and snow are very uncommon
except in other areas around the world where people have been witnessing what
many believe to be spraying from SAG programs. Mengels also stated
that these changes have produced an "ecological crisis" and will have
horrible consequences if continued. Mengels said, "Losses to
our economy will be incredible and are on their way as we
speak. Tree growth will be decreased which will result in the loss
of logging jobs. It is also causing the decline of naturally
occurring plant and grassgrowth that occurs in the normally
acidic soils of grazing pastures, resulting in the demise of our grazing
industry, fishing industry, and worst of all, basic agriculture in Northern
California."<br>
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What is amazing is that these tests and many others throughout the world are
largely being ignored by the very governmental entities that are required to
address them. Some politicians, like Mt. Shasta City Council
member Ed Valenzuela may choose to ignore the issue. Valenzuela was made
aware of the mass contamination at a city council meeting where he stated that
the city did not want to sample the water for aluminum because the request was
a "can of worms" that would, "open a Pandora's box" that
the city would have to pay for. Although several local citizens
volunteered to pay the $22.00 cost of the test at an EPA lab, both
Republican Committee Chairman Russ Porterfield, and Valenzuela voted no to
having the water tested. The mayor Stearns wanted the test, but was overruled
by a 3-2 vote. This response is not uncommon as Mengels has presented this
issue and his scientific data to over 15 local and federal agencies including
Senator Feinstein and Senator Boxer's office. To date he has
received no response or action. <br>
Again, it is important to carefully consider the context. This is the southern
Cascades after all, heavy metals can be problems in groundwaters apart from
human action. I recall reading of arsenic problems in some of the groundwaters
in Oregon forty years ago where the aquifers were in basalts. <br>
Is it a coincidence that the substances found in the rain, snow and soil in
this region and around the world match the exact substances that scientists are
"considering" implementing in various geo-engineering campaigns
throughout the world? If not, then why have agencies and officials
largely ignored these findings that are destroying our planet's
eco-system? Could it be that officials are fearful of exposing
a massive cover-up of a world-wide ecological crime? Or is it the
belief that this issue is simply too large and too complicated a problem for
them to tackle? Whatever the reason for this ignorance, we need to
demand that our questions and shocking test results get addressed not only in
Shasta County, but in every part of the world. Our future on this
planet is dependent on this issue being addressed. <br>
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Because this movement has come under attack from those who appear to be
protecting the many political and corporate interests associated with SAG, it
is essential that all of us around the world get involved by testing the rain,
snow, soil and various outdoor surfaces and reporting the results to our
elected officials and local environmental agencies. We must also
reach out and educate all those involved with SAG who might be unaware of the
environmental implications associated with their programs. Testing
for pH changes and metals is simple and can be performed almost anywhere at a
nominal price. <br>
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Simple testing instructions and more information about geo-engineering programs
can be found on the internet at www. <http://geoengineeringwatch.org>geoengineeringwatch.org.
Biologist Francis Mengels can be contacted by e-mail
at <mailto:bioguy0311@sbcglobal.net>bioguy0311@sbcglobal.net for
more information on this issue, the tests he has performed and suggestions on
testing procedures. Please take action by testing, reporting and
demanding answers on this ever so important issue. Both nature and
humanity depend on it. For more information, please contact me
at <mailto:whtagft@hotmail.com>whtagft@hotmail.com or
visit my
blog: <http://truthmediaproductions.blogsot.com>http://truthmediaproductions.blogsot.com.<br>
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To clarify things: looking at my national soil pH map califfornia has a
very steep and varied pH range with the soil on the the northern coast being
much acidic than that found inland/south whic tends to be basic as you
disccovered.. pH 9 IS very alkaline. soil pH's of less than 5
are rare but not unheard of. Decomposed pine/fir needles are very acidic which
is why they only be used in compost in small amounts -unless of course if you
have alkaline soil. maybe that could be the case in Shasta. One
sample from under conifers and other from different microclimate eg limestone
present.<br>
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pH is defined as the negative logarithm of the concentration of H+ ions (which
"cause" acidity), meaning that as it works out, a pH of 5 is in fact
10 times more acidic than pH 6 <br>
by that accepted convention.<br>
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