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<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN class=796325801-04122011>Hi
Everyone,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#000080><FONT><SPAN
class=796325801-04122011><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Seven or eight
years ago I was retained by TRRP to independently evalute the USBOR's erosion-
and sediment-control programs in the Grass Valley Creek (GVC) watershed. I was
excited to work on such a program, as it provided a wonderful opportunity to
assess the potential of watershed enhancement and restoration projects (as well
as the state of our knowledge of the rehabilitation treatments, BMPs, etc.) in
central and northern California.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#000080><FONT><SPAN
class=796325801-04122011><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>USBOR retained me
to provide a compilation and review of the past erosion and sediment
yield programs and treatments, and evaluate their effectiveness and
cost/benefit. This work involved developing 'my own' sediment source
analysis (SSA) for the GVC watershed, and reconciling several different
SSAs which were put together by various agencies and consultants over the past
few decades. Additionally, my scope included providing</FONT>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT><SPAN class=796325801-04122011><FONT size=3><SPAN lang=FR
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color=#000080>recommendations to the Trinity River Restoration Program to
prioritize future sediment-management and GVC watershed rehabilitation actions
based on cost and technical effectiveness, and</FONT> </SPAN><SPAN lang=FR
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: FR; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">suggesting
the </SPAN></FONT><SPAN
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size=3>future watershed restoration work necessary in the upper Trinity River
Basin to restore the anadromous fishery in the Trinity
River</FONT>.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT><SPAN class=796325801-04122011><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT><SPAN class=796325801-04122011><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT
color=#000080 size=3>I admit that I was surprised by the very large number, and
the associated large cost, of these GVC watershed programs, some of them
starting in the mid-1970s but majority starting around 1985, and the much,
much lower estimated cost/benefit--in terms of sediment
'saved'--compared to the specific-program-motivating estimates. My results were
presented at a small symposium:</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=796325801-04122011><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><A
href="http://www.fws.gov/arcata/fisheries/reports/tamwg/meeting06_dec_03/05_sediment_symposium_agenda.pdf">http://www.fws.gov/arcata/fisheries/reports/tamwg/meeting06_dec_03/05_sediment_symposium_agenda.pdf</A></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><SPAN class=796325801-04122011><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial
color=#000080 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=3><SPAN class=796325801-04122011><SPAN
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size=3>I was also surprised by large differences among the various SSAs, both in
terms of the sediment-source types and the magnitudes of their sediment
deliveries. The SSAs also lacked a spatially-explicit detail. Some
of the SSAs failed to report on the following major sediment sources:
1) surface erosion and mass wasting across very large deep-seated landslides;
and 2) recent, unconsolidated valley-floor alluvial deposits. In
no way do I mean disrespect to the
USBOR-funded rehabilitation efforts, especially those by the local RCD
and NRCS, who work very hard, no doubt, on minimizing the hillslope
sediment sources across the affected tributary basins. However, it must be said
that these rehabilitation efforts were primarily motivated by the various and
not-so-accurate/detailed past SSAs. Though I recommended it, I am not aware
if newer and more accurate SSAs were conducted in the tributary watersheds since
2004.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=3><SPAN class=796325801-04122011><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT
size=3></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=3><SPAN class=796325801-04122011><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT
size=3>My report, see the reference below, was not published by BOR, but it is
referenced in these recent reports by Andreas Krause, PE, and David
Gaeuman</FONT>:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN class=796325801-04122011><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><A
href="http://acwi.gov/sos/pubs/2ndJFIC/Contents/3D_Krause_3_1_10.pdf">http://acwi.gov/sos/pubs/2ndJFIC/Contents/3D_Krause_3_1_10.pdf</A></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><SPAN class=796325801-04122011><SPAN
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face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><A
href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&gbv=2&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=17172l25156l0l26109l30l25l0l19l19l0l531l2108l0.1.2.1.0.2l6l0&q=cache:TDDfJXPnPcUJ:http://209.207.67.215/Trinity/DocumentLibraryFiles/TM-TRRP-2008-1.pdf+martin+trso+grass+valley+creek&ct=clnk">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&gbv=2&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=17172l25156l0l26109l30l25l0l19l19l0l531l2108l0.1.2.1.0.2l6l0&q=cache:TDDfJXPnPcUJ:http://209.207.67.215/Trinity/DocumentLibraryFiles/TM-TRRP-2008-1.pdf+martin+trso+grass+valley+creek&ct=clnk</A></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoBodyText2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT
color=#000000><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Martin
Trso, R.G.</SPAN></B><SPAN
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2004. Trinity River Restoration Program: Evaluation of Grass Valley Creek
Watershed Restoration Activities. Technical report prepared for U.S. Bureau of
Reclamation. 88 pages.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN class=796325801-04122011>Feel free to email me
with questions, especially those pertaining to the costs of the various pre-2004
programs in the GVC watershed. I am sure that USBOR could also make my report
available to the public. Thank you.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
class=796325801-04122011>Sincerely,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080><SPAN class=796325801-04122011>Martin
Trso</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
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Trso, PG, CPG, CPESC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></STRONG></DIV>
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<B>From:</B> env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us
[mailto:env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Joshua Allen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:53
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Trinity List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [env-trinity] Trinity River
Budget Questions<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>We can agree to disagree. Though as someone
studying public administration, any organization that is admin heavy needs
to be critically evaluated. Especially if it over 15%. Taxpayer funds are being
used and if used incorrectly its just a waste of money paying salaries instead
of getting mission goals completed. A long time complaint
of the program is that its a bunch of egg-head scientists who would
rather implement studies and write expensive environmental documents
instead of doing actual on the ground work. Especially when its a program that
continues doing the same thing expecting different results.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Josh<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 5:39 PM, lou jacobson <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:acaswr@yahoo.com">acaswr@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN>All that information should be public.
Perhaps someone should put a request in with TRRP</SPAN><SPAN>?
<BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>I have to disagree with Josh that an admin to total
budget/implementation is a clear indication of how properly funds are
being spent. I won't argue that it's not an important factor. I'll even agree
that in some cases it can be used as a tool to identify top heavy program
design. </SPAN><SPAN>I think the admin to budget/implementation comparisons
are important but they are only one factor of many that should be used to
judge a program. </SPAN><SPAN>I'd like to see their scope of work, project
milestones, budget, etc..., and then see how they're performing based on the
current admin load. I don't know, they could be pissing money down the admin
stream but I don't think project success/failure is that black and white. Some
programs are inherently admin heavy.<BR></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Lou Jacobson<BR></SPAN></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joshua Allen <<A
href="mailto:trinityjosh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>trinityjosh@gmail.com</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Tom Stokely <<A
href="mailto:tstokely@att.net" target=_blank>tstokely@att.net</A>>; <A
href="mailto:env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us"
target=_blank>env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</A> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, December 3, 2011 12:49 PM
<DIV class=im><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[env-trinity] Trinity River Budget Questions<BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=h5><BR>
<DIV>It would also be nice to know exactly how much is being spent
on administrative overhead versus on the ground expenses. How much
an organization spends to accomplish its mission is a clear indication of how
properly funds are being spent. Just my two cents...
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Joshua Allen<BR><BR>
<DIV>On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Tom Stokely <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:tstokely@att.net" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>tstokely@att.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">All,<BR><BR>I
have had several inquiries about the $36 million figure cited in the Redding
Record Searchlight for expenditures to restore the Trinity River's fish.
I did not make that statement and I have to assume that the $36
million is just what has been spent on the mainstem "restoration" projects,
some of which have clearly failed (filled in side channels), but the article
was not clear on that. I'm certain that it's not total expenditures
because budgets have been $14-$15 million/year lately, so $36 million would
be less than 3 years' budgets at current levels. I know that the "old"
Trinity River Restoration Program alone spent something like $70
million.<BR><BR>My guess is that total expenditures under the Trinity River
Restoration Program, old and new, exceed $200 million.<BR><BR>If somebody
knows the real numbers, it would be greatly appreciated. It would be
nice to set the record straight so that people know the magnitude of
taxpayer money spent on this important program.<BR><BR>Tom Stokely<BR>Water
Policy Analyst/Media Contact<BR>California Water Impact Network<BR>V/FAX <A
rel=nofollow>530-926-9727</A><BR>Cell <A rel=nofollow>530-524-0315</A><BR><A
href="mailto:tstokely@att.net" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>tstokely@att.net</A><BR><A href="http://www.c-win.org"
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