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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>So good to hear from you, Nadine<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Over the past 560 days it’s become increasingly popular for one sector of our society to accuse others of speaking falsely<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Perhaps you can tell me just what it was that I said that was untruthful<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nadine Bailey [mailto:nadine.bailey@sbcglobal.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 06, 2018 11:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> Peggy Berry; Kier Associates<br><b>Cc:</b> env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us; Michael N. Kobseff; Anton Jaegel; Danielle Roberts Lindler<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [env-trinity] The Mercury News: The reason that California wildfires are worse than ever<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1533578275420_18766"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Well there are some of out there that live and work in these forest and have lived and worked in them for centuries and we do not see what Bill and Denise have shared as truth. The fact is fire has been suppressed in these forest for decades and now we are all paying the price. These forest must be thinned to save them and the wildlife and people that live near them. Don't throw the forest out with the fires. If anyone would like a tour I am more than willing to take you and show you where the fires have burnt and reburning at a hotter temp. Please get out of the office and go out on the land and see for yourself. Nadine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1533578275420_18767"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1533578275420_18835"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1533578275420_18834"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1533578275420_18836"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right;background:white'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><b>Error! Filename not specified.</b></span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right;background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:.25in;background:white'><span class=apple-style-span><i><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#0000BF'>Nadine Bailey </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#0000BF'><br>530-276-7743 cell</span></i><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue'><br></span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#0000BF'><br></span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:blue'>“And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years. It was always that way.” John Steinbeck<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:.25in;background:white'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Peggy Berry <pegberry1@gmail.com><br><b>To:</b> Kier Associates <kierassociates@att.net> <br><b>Cc:</b> env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 6, 2018 9:39 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [env-trinity] The Mercury News: The reason that California wildfires are worse than ever</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv2249771438><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you Bill Kier and Denise Boggs for shining the spotlight on the truth: Humans who demand to build their homes wherever they want — inaccessible forest lands, ocean cliffs, etc. because they think they are entitled to THEIR OWN wishes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I mourn the firefighters who are then expected to save them and their homes - and sometimes unselfishly give their lives - so others are able to get what they want based on selfish desires and demands.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Something besides money and profit need to redefine “entitlements!”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Peggy Berry<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id=yiv2249771438yqt87107><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On Aug 5, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Kier Associates <<a href="mailto:kierassociates@att.net" target="_blank">kierassociates@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Trinity environmental list-ers</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>For what it’s worth</span></span><span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span class=yiv2249771438><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>State</span></u></span><span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>gov’t leadership has been trying to discourage this building in the Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) for well more than 50 years.</span></span><span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>We had some very dry winters in the early ‘60s and some terrible wildfires immediately thereafter. When I joined what is now the CA Natural Resources Agency in early 1964 we were going around to various local gov’ts, groups, etc., with a film that showed, for example, homes built at the top of canyons in the Santa Monica Mtns, with huge jutting redwood decks from which to view to the ocean, catching the 1,000 degree F.-plus canyon updraft and literally exploding.</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>There’s been a too-subdued policy discussion for decades about the ‘State Responsibility Lands’, those not served directly by a local fire agency or federal land mgt agency.</span></span><span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>As the cost for serving these lands with State fire protection grew over time the State finally instituted a modest annual fee (like $150) on property-owners to help support fire prevention/ suppression on these so-called ‘State Responsibility Lands’</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This fee has become, not surprisingly, a whipping-boy for CA’s mostly-rural conservative politicians – it’s playing heavily into the current legislative discussions about the 2017 wildfires and into the 2018 election cycle</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>For those of us living in urban areas who are paying what we hope is our fair share for fire prevention and suppression services, we – I, anyway – find ourselves 1- aghast at and saddened by the enormity of the Carr Fire; and 2- wondering when the cost of unbridled residential incursion into the WUI is going to become a sufficient issue in California that the rest of us may see some relief from subsidizing it.</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>‘Best,</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span 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<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-bottom:1.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b></span><span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>env-trinity [<a href="mailto:env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us" target="_blank">mailto:env-trinity-bounces@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</a>]</span></span><span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span class=yiv2249771438><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>On Behalf Of</span></b></span><span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></b></span><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Denise Boggs</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><br><span class=yiv2249771438><b>Sent:</b></span><span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space> </span><span class=yiv2249771438>Sunday, August 05, 2018 6:26 PM</span><br><span class=yiv2249771438><b>To:</b></span><span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space> </span><span class=yiv2249771438><a href="mailto:env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us" target="_blank">env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</a></span><br><span class=yiv2249771438><b>Subject:</b></span><span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space> </span><span class=yiv2249771438>[env-trinity] The Mercury News: The reason that California wildfires are worse than ever</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>The National Forests aren’t the problem. It’s people living in areas they shouldn’t be. Interesting stats on CA and the wildfires throughout the state over time. Some of these areas have burned multiple times and people keep rebuilding in the same place. The state’s landscape is prone to fires and they are going burn regardless. Climate change only makes it worse.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>“The Carr Fire burning in Shasta County was started by a single spark from a towed trailer on a road in Whiskeytown National Recreation Area. It then quickly raced into high-end new residential subdivisions such as Lake Redding Estates, where it destroyed 65 upscale homes.”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><strong><span style='color:black'>The reason that California wildfires are worse than ever</span></strong><span style='color:black'><br>The Mercury News<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>As California grows, people are moving into the rural edges of cities where we weren't before -- creating an "expanding bull’s eye’ effect" of higher wildfire risk, according to a new study by geographer Stephen M. Strader of Villanova University.<span class=yiv2249771438apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://apple.news/AO3JyVOhZQvS4W7C_ou3raQ" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Read the full story</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Denise Boggs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.conservationcongress-ca.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Www.conservationcongress-ca.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>"Some of them were angry at the way the Earth was abused; By the men who learned how to forge her beauty into power; And they struggled to protect her from them, only to be confused; By the magnitude of the fury in the final hour."<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>'Before the Deluge' Jackson Browne<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv2249771438><span style='font-family:"ArialMT","serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________</span></span><span style='font-family:"ArialMT","serif";color:black'><br><span class=yiv2249771438>env-trinity mailing list</span><br><span class=yiv2249771438><a href="mailto:env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us" target="_blank">env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</a></span><br><span class=yiv2249771438><a href="http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/env-trinity" target="_blank">http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/env-trinity</a></span></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div id=yqt46780><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>env-trinity mailing list<br><a href="mailto:env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us">env-trinity@velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us</a><br><a href="http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/env-trinity" target="_blank">http://www2.dcn.org/mailman/listinfo/env-trinity</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>