[1st-mile-nm] IEEE: 5G is in Danger of Being Oversold

[John Badal]

Business case?  Even the well heeled Google has rethought its FTTH plans in urban areas far more densely populated than NM’s rural areas.  The sizzle got ahead of the steak.

John

From: Christopher Mitchell [mailto:christopher at ilsr.org]
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Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] IEEE: 5G is in Danger of Being Oversold

The point of a gig is not to use all of it anymore than the point of a highway is to experiment with the maximum number of cars you can put on it.

The point of a gig is abundance - sure 452 Mbps would probably do that too, but a gig resonates and is a standard.

It would be difficult for me to use all of the electricity that can flow into my house - but we overprovision certain kinds of infrastructure when that can unlock additional value.

And finally, if we assume that communities will still need high quality Internet access in 30 years, everyone I talk to that does both fiber and wireless says that while fiber is more expensive on the front end, the much lower operating and future upgrade costs ultimately make it MORE cost effective than wireless over a period of decades.

There are many legitimate reasons for people in rural areas to "cry" for better connectivity even if they have the same number of gigabit applications as we do cars that are 5 lanes wide.

Christopher Mitchell
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On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:48 PM, John Badal <JBadal at sacred-wind.com<mailto:JBadal at sacred-wind.com>> wrote:
5G has the same sexy appeal to the uniformed as fiber to the home.  Rural communities are crying for both, afraid they’d fall deeper into the digital divide, but unaware that the vast majority of consumers could never use gigabit speeds outside of recreating in the home Star Trek-like virtual reality holodecks.    What makes much more sense to me is for Albuquerque to build 20-lane highways and 10-lane boulevards throughout the city to eliminate any congestion during rush hours, along with robotic car removal systems to dispense with cars damaged in an accident.

John

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Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] IEEE: 5G is in Danger of Being Oversold

It’s not. See this: http://www.bbcmag.com/2017mags/Mar_Apr/BBC_Mar17_5GNotAnswer.pdf


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Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] IEEE: 5G is in Danger of Being Oversold

I'm unclear as to why 5g fixed is going to be cheaper to deploy than fiber. If the state charges $250/antenna... that buys a lot of hardwired installer time. And the antennas need backhaul, presumably, so lighting up a neighborhood in anticipation of new customer uptake... that seems a lot like upgrading infrastructure that would be needed if the idea is to offer faster aggregate speeds.

What's the model here?

Does anyone know of real world benchmarks for 5G applications (e.g., netflix)?

  Doug

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 1:47 PM Richard Lowenberg <rl at 1st-mile.org<mailto:rl at 1st-mile.org>> wrote:
Following on recent postings.     RL

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Commercial service is years away, but even then, 5G won’t fulfill all of
its promises

https://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/internet/5g-is-in-danger-of-being-oversold

By Stacey Higginbotham

Just like graphene or Elon Musk’s startups, 5G has become a technology
savior. Proponents tout the poorly defined wireless technology as the
path to virtual reality, telemedicine, and self-⁠driving cars.

But 5G is not a technology—it’s a buzzword unleashed by marketing
departments. As early as 2012, Broadcom was using it to sell Wi-Fi. In
reality, 5G is a term that telecommunications investors and executives
sling around as the solution to high infrastructure costs, the need for
more bandwidth, and a desire to boost margins.

The unifying component behind 5G is faster wireless broadband service. A
more stringent—and practical—definition is the use of high-frequency
millimeter waves (in addition to the microwaves that 4G LTE relies on
today) to deliver over-the-air broadband to phones or homes.

If you’re talking about phones, 5G is still years away. And new services
aren’t really on the menu. Just listen to the heads of several
telecommunications companies, who have begun to tamp down investors’
expectations around what 5G can deliver.

(snip)


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