[1st-mile-nm] IEEE: 5G is in Danger of Being Oversold

Fri Mar 2 16:30:25 PST 2018

My cat knows she is a Goddess or certainly conducts herself in a manner befitting a Goddess.

From: 1st-mile-nm <1st-mile-nm-bounces at mailman.dcn.org> on behalf of Steve Ross <editorsteve at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, March 2, 2018 at 5:27 PM
To: Mimbres Communications <mimcom at sw-ei.com>
Cc: Richard Lowenberg <rl at 1st-mile.org>, 1st-Mile-NM <1st-mile-nm at mailman.dcn.org>
Subject: Re: [1st-mile-nm] IEEE: 5G is in Danger of Being Oversold

I think the cats started that way with the egyptians... As gods.  There are mainly dog families in our NYC apartment building, mainly cat families in our Boston building, and we all adjust and care for each other's pets.

The quadrapeds know they all have a good thing going. And so do we. Btw check out cat with ipad videos. Sigh.

Btw, my wife has the S8 Note, which doubles as lightsaber and room heater. But it does not handle band 71. The S9 does. And The LG v30. Need it for my rural trips. Band 71 is the 600 mhz band tmobile is rolling out. Time to upgrade my S3 Note....

On Mar 2, 2018 6:53 PM, "Mimbres Communications" <mimcom at sw-ei.com<mailto:mimcom at sw-ei.com>> wrote:
A dog looks at you and thinks, "You love me, you feed me, you care for me -- you must be a god!"

A cat looks at you and thinks, "You love me, you feed me, you care for me -- I must be a god!"

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 4:50 PM, Steve Ross <editorsteve at gmail.com<mailto:editorsteve at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dog have masters, cats have staff. My wife and I are staff to two cats. I think the world has a surplus of cat memes, but there's always room for a few more....and they would accessorize their self-driving catmobiles with catnip dispensers, string, and laser pointers.

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On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:41 PM, David Breecker [dba] <david at breeckerassociates.com<mailto:david at breeckerassociates.com>> wrote:
Let’s stay with self-driving cats, could be the next hot YouTube meme ;-)

Good weekend to all,
db

On Mar 2, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Steve Ross <editorsteve at gmail.com<mailto:editorsteve at gmail.com>> wrote:

Cars, too. Meow.

On Mar 2, 2018 6:22 PM, editorsteve at gmail.com<mailto:editorsteve at gmail.com> wrote:
Self driving cats need to know what all the other cars are doing. Very opposite of autonomous.

On Mar 2, 2018 6:15 PM, "Doug Orr" <doug.orr at gmail.com<mailto:doug.orr at gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm pretty sure mimo is going to be like multiprocessor compensating for the demise of Moore's law in processors around transistor density: applications have to change for it to be of profound use, it won't speed up things to their advertised potential, except maybe a few new things come out as the result of new end to end stacks...

Most of the speed hacks don't look like they will work well for anything other than big parallel transfers, and latency is still speed of light constrained. Anything involving the edge starts to eat power and comes with troublesome consistency issues.

People picturing super fast web and 8k movies are likely in for some surprises.

Self driving cars will need to be largely autonomous, so I find all of the talk about how they are the 5g killer app confusing. That may just be my ignorance. Wrt super chatty self driving cars, aggregate bandwidth is the issue and there will be a lot of work carriers have to do to support cell density at scale. Having your car stop working in a cell dead zone seems like a bad consumer experience...

5g looks like the primary muddier of 5g waters to me.
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018, 3:54 PM Jeff <jeff at mountainconnect.org<mailto:jeff at mountainconnect.org>> wrote:
One could argue Samsung, with new LTE technology (4x4 MIMO antenna, frequency aggregation, 256 QAM) introduced in their S8 phone, may have muddied the 5G waters.

Jeff

On 2/28/18, 1:43 PM, "1st-mile-nm on behalf of Richard Lowenberg" <1st-mile-nm-bounces at mailman.dcn.org<mailto:1st-mile-nm-bounces at mailman.dcn.org> on behalf of rl at 1st-mile.org<mailto:rl at 1st-mile.org>> wrote:

    Following on recent postings.     RL

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    Commercial service is years away, but even then, 5G won’t fulfill all of
    its promises

    https://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/internet/5g-is-in-danger-of-being-oversold

    By Stacey Higginbotham

    Just like graphene or Elon Musk’s startups, 5G has become a technology
    savior. Proponents tout the poorly defined wireless technology as the
    path to virtual reality, telemedicine, and self-⁠driving cars.

    But 5G is not a technology—it’s a buzzword unleashed by marketing
    departments. As early as 2012, Broadcom was using it to sell Wi-Fi. In
    reality, 5G is a term that telecommunications investors and executives
    sling around as the solution to high infrastructure costs, the need for
    more bandwidth, and a desire to boost margins.

    The unifying component behind 5G is faster wireless broadband service. A
    more stringent—and practical—definition is the use of high-frequency
    millimeter waves (in addition to the microwaves that 4G LTE relies on
    today) to deliver over-the-air broadband to phones or homes.

    If you’re talking about phones, 5G is still years away. And new services
    aren’t really on the menu. Just listen to the heads of several
    telecommunications companies, who have begun to tamp down investors’
    expectations around what 5G can deliver.

    (snip)

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