[1st-mile-nm] IEEE: 5G is in Danger of Being Oversold

Fri Mar 2 15:50:05 PST 2018

Dog have masters, cats have staff. My wife and I are staff to two cats. I
think the world has a surplus of cat memes, but there's always room for a
few more....and they would accessorize their self-driving catmobiles with
catnip dispensers, string, and laser pointers.

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On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:41 PM, David Breecker [dba] <
david at breeckerassociates.com> wrote:

> Let’s stay with self-driving cats, could be the next hot YouTube meme ;-)
>
> Good weekend to all,
> db
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Steve Ross <editorsteve at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Cars, too. Meow.
>
> On Mar 2, 2018 6:22 PM, editorsteve at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Self driving cats need to know what all the other cars are doing. Very
>> opposite of autonomous.
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2018 6:15 PM, "Doug Orr" <doug.orr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure mimo is going to be like multiprocessor compensating for
>>> the demise of Moore's law in processors around transistor density:
>>> applications have to change for it to be of profound use, it won't speed up
>>> things to their advertised potential, except maybe a few new things come
>>> out as the result of new end to end stacks...
>>>
>>> Most of the speed hacks don't look like they will work well for anything
>>> other than big parallel transfers, and latency is still speed of light
>>> constrained. Anything involving the edge starts to eat power and comes with
>>> troublesome consistency issues.
>>>
>>> People picturing super fast web and 8k movies are likely in for some
>>> surprises.
>>>
>>> Self driving cars will need to be largely autonomous, so I find all of
>>> the talk about how they are the 5g killer app confusing. That may just be
>>> my ignorance. Wrt super chatty self driving cars, aggregate bandwidth is
>>> the issue and there will be a lot of work carriers have to do to support
>>> cell density at scale. Having your car stop working in a cell dead zone
>>> seems like a bad consumer experience...
>>>
>>> 5g looks like the primary muddier of 5g waters to me.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018, 3:54 PM Jeff <jeff at mountainconnect.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One could argue Samsung, with new LTE technology (4x4 MIMO antenna,
>>>> frequency aggregation, 256 QAM) introduced in their S8 phone, may have
>>>> muddied the 5G waters.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On 2/28/18, 1:43 PM, "1st-mile-nm on behalf of Richard Lowenberg" <
>>>> 1st-mile-nm-bounces at mailman.dcn.org on behalf of rl at 1st-mile.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Following on recent postings.     RL
>>>>
>>>>     -------
>>>>
>>>>     Commercial service is years away, but even then, 5G won’t fulfill
>>>> all of
>>>>     its promises
>>>>
>>>>     https://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/internet/5g-is-in-danger-o
>>>> f-being-oversold
>>>>
>>>>     By Stacey Higginbotham
>>>>
>>>>     Just like graphene or Elon Musk’s startups, 5G has become a
>>>> technology
>>>>     savior. Proponents tout the poorly defined wireless technology as
>>>> the
>>>>     path to virtual reality, telemedicine, and self-⁠driving cars.
>>>>
>>>>     But 5G is not a technology—it’s a buzzword unleashed by marketing
>>>>     departments. As early as 2012, Broadcom was using it to sell Wi-Fi.
>>>> In
>>>>     reality, 5G is a term that telecommunications investors and
>>>> executives
>>>>     sling around as the solution to high infrastructure costs, the need
>>>> for
>>>>     more bandwidth, and a desire to boost margins.
>>>>
>>>>     The unifying component behind 5G is faster wireless broadband
>>>> service. A
>>>>     more stringent—and practical—definition is the use of high-frequency
>>>>     millimeter waves (in addition to the microwaves that 4G LTE relies
>>>> on
>>>>     today) to deliver over-the-air broadband to phones or homes.
>>>>
>>>>     If you’re talking about phones, 5G is still years away. And new
>>>> services
>>>>     aren’t really on the menu. Just listen to the heads of several
>>>>     telecommunications companies, who have begun to tamp down investors’
>>>>     expectations around what 5G can deliver.
>>>>
>>>>     (snip)
>>>>
>>>>
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