[env-trinity] Navy exercises

Joshua Allen trinityjosh at gmail.com
Sat Dec 25 17:47:50 PST 2010


That email probably came from either Byron or Tom, probably the later, based
upon how it is written. Though as much as I may agree with you, in that war
games in the Pacific Ocean in areas where Sacramento, Klamath, other
salmonid fishery runs, and other endemic marine life will be directly
affected by these actions; I also understand that some people are touchy
about posting information on the list-serve not directly related to the
Trinity. They have gotten complaints from a minority few who only want
Trinity River restoration info posted. You just need to be aware of that.

However I do not agree with the threat to ban you, or that this topic is not
related to the Trinity restoration effort, because it is. Its kind of like
saying, "Don't post about the Bay-Delta or agricultural water related issues
because it's not directly related to restoration", which technically is not
related to restoration. Though because those issues are indirectly connected
with Trinity Restoration, the topic is discussed.

It's kind of like going to TMC meetings and listening to them argue about
jurisdiction. The ROD says that the TMC has restoration authority to the
Pacific Ocean, though for some reason, they think that the parts that
directly related to Trinity River restoration starts at Weithpec and ends at
Lewiston. Though this viewpoint does not take into the whole of issues (i.e.
systems theory), as only a part of the problem is taken into account.

Yeah, we can raise fish in a hatchery and below the dam, but what about
their native habitat above the dam, and providing access to it? What about
Klamath River water quality affecting Trinity River fish? What about
coordinated restoration of habitat below Weitchpec? What about oceanic
conditions that affect Trinity River fish during their maturation phase? How
many fish will be killed during war games that would have otherwise made it
back upstream to spawn? What about the water that the powers that be would
rather send over the hill? Some of these questions are directly related,
while others are indirectly related. Either way, as a planner, you take into
account direct and indirect effects to propose alternative solutions. If you
don't, the proposition is incomplete.

So yes, I agree with you, and think Trinity River enthusiasts should know
about oceanic actions by our government that will affect a program ran by
same said government. We should always question authority, be it the
federal, state, local government, or military; as well as test comfort
boundaries of some people who only want to look at directly related issues.
Such is the purpose of pluralism; to exchange ideas, discuss issues, and
propose solutions that meet everyone's needs.


2010/12/24 Brian Hill <bhill at igc.org>

> Beth
> the env-trinity list threatened to block me for posting emails regarding
> Navy exercises, so I'll have to contact members individually.  I already
> sent an note to Schlosser.
> Brian
> *From:* Beth Robinson Bosk [mailto:nsi at mcn.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 24, 2010 3:45 PM
> *To:* Brian Hill; 'David Frankel'
> *Cc:* 'Tom Ballanco'; 'Bill Weinberg'; Richard K. Moore; 'Ed Saukkooja'
> We need a Brown v. Board of Education argument based on harm in front of a
> west coast federal judge to overturn the Supreme Court decision David
> Frankel alluded to. [It was Tom Schlosser [t.schlosser at msaj.com who is a
> member of env-trinity-bounces at velocipede.dcn.davis.ca.us] Plessey was
> overturned because societal values changed. The armed forces in this country
> no longer go unchallenged by a majority.  Tom, David can you pull together a
> contingent of attorneys from the Pacific Rim realms of Washington, Oregon
> and California to take the Navy on based on harm.  Because people coalesce
> into a spoken-word mob every time there is another meeting re. Navy Weapons
> training & testing off the California, Oregon and Washington coast. Have
> been very plain spoken about militarization of the oceans and ecocide. At
> the hall- packed meeting in Fort Bragg, the Navy's PR guy opened with a
> paragraph stating the Navy DOES NOT OWN the open seas and has no legitimate
> jurisdiction out there to keep people away from their vessels. Talk of
> flotillas is already on the airwaves in Humboldt County.  A good team of
> lawyers seems to me to be a necessary step and will have plenty of support.
> --Beth Bosk
> P.S. Anybody who needs a copy of my last issue of New Settler [magazine], where
> the owner of the Mendocino Cafe lays out the Navy's plans from the point of
> view of a no-nonsense citizen, can email me for a copy with their address.
> It's a bracing commentary and indicative of how courageous people will get
> around this issue.
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